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22-10-2021, 07:53
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6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coast. 1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...115430118.html
Do you fellow sailors think this was a case of early abandonment of the ship? And also, what do you think caused this to happen? The vessel looks like a seaworthy vessel that doesn’t appear to be sinking. I know at this point it’s all speculation but I’d like to hear your theories.
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22-10-2021, 08:00
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
Broken arm, head injuries, taking on water.
Seems like they needed to get off.
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22-10-2021, 08:25
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
I agree with bcboomer. It's not a matter of whether the boat could be saved. With an able and on-top-of-it crew it perhaps could be. The point is that the existing crew couldn't handle it, due not only to injuries to one person but exhaustion, exposure, and probably their skill level as well. Plenty of ocean sailors have transferred to waiting freighters and watched their boats float away. The boat is a trivial concern when safety is paramount.
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22-10-2021, 13:07
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
I would imagine it was the woman who had the injuries, because they lifted her off first. Perhaps she was on her off watch and got tossed across the boat. (Lee cloth failure?) The dynamics would have been that the skipper really wanted her fixed up; she may also have been in shock. Likely loss of life or property is cause for a mayday.
Without steering capability, in big seas, the boat would be lying beam to and having waves break over it. This would be very scary, and the motion very unpleasant and tiring. 3 crew is pretty light for a 79 ft. boat. And, the distances are far, for falling onto stuff that may hurt you.
Kudos to the young Coastie in his first real rescue.
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22-10-2021, 17:28
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
At the risk of advising people that already know ,the vast majority of well found vsl s at sea will far out last there crew’s ability ,it would appear that a large number of abandoned vsls are abandoned because the crew can’t cope ,this is just plain lack of experience and seamanship ,not the same thing,a bit of advice to those who wish to go off shore,and something I see rarely done ,is if you expect to abandon your vsl at sea try to lower your anchor and as much chain as possible over the bow and secure as best you can ,a couple of hundred feet and an anchor will help hold the vsl head to the sea and weather,it may also anchor the vsl if she comes ashore,saving lots of gear .⛵️⚓️
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23-10-2021, 08:50
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
On the video it looks like they are trailing a warp or is it just something on the video.
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23-10-2021, 09:09
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
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Originally Posted by Stewie12
On the video it looks like they are trailing a warp or is it just something on the video.
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The Coastie swimmer, in the interview video, mentions the trailing lines and says that he was able to grab one and board the boat, the only thing that kept him with the boat.
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23-10-2021, 09:28
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
I am generally unsympathetic to people who want to get off of a vessel when they encounter miserable weather at sea. Too often it appears to simply be a matter of discomfort.
In this case however, getting an injured crew member to medical care probably justified the rescue, although the extent of her injuries was not clear.
But the captain and other four people? Could they not have stayed with the vessel and possibly saved it?
Unpleasant as it apparently was couldn't the crew have withstood those seas on a 79ft vessel until the storm passed and steerage regained?
It seems like quitting, to me.
I hope never to be in that situation, but if I am, I hope I have the courage to stay and try to save the vessel.
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23-10-2021, 09:36
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
I am sure from the Coast Guard's point of view, leaving any crew, even if they are healthy, on a disabled vessel, and a big one at that, in rough weather, makes no sense at all. Better to get everyone safe and have a tug come back another day when it's calm to retrieve the boat if possible, so you don't set yourself up for having to effect another rescue.
Again another example of amazing Coast Guard skills.
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23-10-2021, 09:59
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
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Originally Posted by Don C L
I am sure from the Coast Guard's point of view, leaving any crew, even if they are healthy, on a disabled vessel, and a big one at that, in rough weather, makes no sense at all. Better to get everyone safe and have a tug come back another day when it's calm to retrieve the boat if possible, so you don't set yourself up for having to effect another rescue.
Again another example of amazing Coast Guard skills.
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Makes sense - I guess once you call for help it would not necessarily be easy to retain control. Hard to get off a boat which is not sinking - but if it turns out you cannot stem the flood you wouldnt want to have to call for help again, would you? Depends how much water was coming on board.
Really if you are not there on the spot you cannot know what the skipper was facing & thinking at the time. At least if you can keep your AIS transponder going it will make it easier to see if the boat is still afloat later & come back to save the boat when the weather has passed - also makes it easier for others to salvage as well.
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23-10-2021, 10:09
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
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Originally Posted by wingssail
I am generally unsympathetic to people who want to get off of a vessel when they encounter miserable weather at sea. Too often it appears to simply be a matter of discomfort.
In this case however, getting an injured crew member to medical care probably justified the rescue, although the extent of her injuries was not clear.
But the captain and other four people? Could they not have stayed with the vessel and possibly saved it?
Unpleasant as it apparently was couldn't the crew have withstood those seas on a 79ft vessel until the storm passed and steerage regained?
It seems like quitting, to me.
I hope never to be in that situation, but if I am, I hope I have the courage to stay and try to save the vessel.
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This is a wood boat built in 1932 with a recent grounding.
It was taking on water and I suspect some planks were sprung.
I don't think i is reasonable to expect the crew to stay with it in those conditions.
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23-10-2021, 10:55
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
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Originally Posted by Arthurgifford
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...115430118.html
Do you fellow sailors think this was a case of early abandonment of the ship? And also, what do you think caused this to happen? The vessel looks like a seaworthy vessel that doesn’t appear to be sinking. I know at this point it’s all speculation but I’d like to hear your theories.
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23-10-2021, 10:56
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
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Originally Posted by bcboomer
This is a wood boat built in 1932 with a recent grounding.
It was taking on water and I suspect some planks were sprung.
I don't think i is reasonable to expect the crew to stay with it in those conditions.
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Agree.. the grounding for which she had repairs likely damaged some fastenings that were missed by the b'yard/surveyor? and the extreme conditions and punishment caused maybe a plank or two to be sprung..
Some folk I knew had that happen on their old timber live aboard motor yacht back in the 90's down the Med when they got caught in a screamer out of the Golf de Lyon... they reckoned she went down in just minutes and they lost everything including their cockatoo.. a real character.
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23-10-2021, 11:00
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Re: 6 people rescued in 60 knots of wind and 20 ft seas 100 miles off California coas
My take is, those rescue swimmers have a bigger set of balls than me. For that matter the whole crew on those choppers.
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