Trump Bans Sailing to Cuba

[JPA Cate]

Many posts have been removed from this thread due to political content without reference to the topic of the thread or because they quoted deleted posts in their response.

THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT POLITICS IN THE MODERN WORLD.

Keep it to the sailing part, or it will be closed.

[capn_billl]

Anything called a ban is a political topic.

It's unfortunate, but a chance at a $250,000 fine, means I wont be trying for Cuba for another 8 years.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by capn_billl

... I wont be trying for Cuba for another 8 years.

Not to get "political", but your arithmetic is off.
At worst, the present administration will reach a term limit in 2005 (2004 election) - so 6 years hence. Or, 2 years.

[capn_billl]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Not to get "political", but your arithmetic is off.
At worst, the present administration will reach a term limit in 2005 (2004 election) - so 6 years hence. Or, 2 years.

Assuming the new one overturns the ban the first day in office.

Unless the situation changes it may not be overturned the next few Presidents.... Unfortunate Cuba is close, and interesting

[RaymondR]

Nah, the Cubans are going to give Trump Inc 200 acres of waterside land and he will build a massive marina with a hotel casino and attached golf course and it will all come out OK and you will be able to sail down, get sun burned on the golf course, be served by scantily clad latino beauties in the swimming pool and go bankrupt in the casino. Then you can sail back up to Florida, sink into an alcoholic miasma at anchor and become a Miami feral in a broken down, derelict boat.

In an overwhelming burst of gratitude for his revitalization of the economy the Cubans will take up democracy and elect Trump president for life.

You gotta look on the bright side of life.

[Jules_M]

I would really be interested in hearing the logic as to how Trump arrived at the conclusion it's a good idea to ban sailing to Cuba.

[redsky49]

Originally Posted by Jules_M

I would really be interested in hearing the logic as to how Trump arrived at the conclusion it's a good idea to ban sailing to Cuba.

I would respond that it is a callous political ploy to capture the Florida Cuban-American vote in the next election, but political discussions are not allowed so I won't say that.


Therefore, it must have another reason. Let's see... Logic and this administration...


Hmm...



Sorry. I am stumped.

[roverhi]

Cuba has got its fingers in every country south of the border that will have them. In Venezuela they have trained and are supplying advisors to a paramilitary force that is keeping Maduro in power. Otherwise Maduro is trading oil for Cuban trained thugs. Since Trump is trying to get Maduro out of power and Cuba is the power behind the throne, limiting economic benefits to Cuba may be able to shorten Maduro's reign. Both Cuba's and Venezuela's economy are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Russia and China are also supplying Maduro with aid hoping to stick a thumb in the eye of America.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Not to get "political", but your arithmetic is off.
At worst, the present administration will reach a term limit in 2025 (2024 election) - so 6 years hence. Or, 2 years.

Hey Gord - I think you left out a couple of 2s!

On my screen anyway, it looks like the mods made this thread a complete do-over, with Ann's post as #1. Doesn't matter to me, but were all the prior posts deleted?

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Not to get "political", but your arithmetic is off.
At worst, the present administration will reach a term limit in 2005 (2004 2025 (2024 election) - so 6 years hence. Or, 2 years.

Originally Posted by Exile

Hey Gord - I think you left out a couple of 2s!

Oops! Right you are. My arithmetic was even further off.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by roverhi

Cuba has got its fingers in every country south of the border that will have them. In Venezuela they have trained and are supplying advisors to a paramilitary force that is keeping Maduro in power. Otherwise Maduro is trading oil for Cuban trained thugs. Since Trump is trying to get Maduro out of power and Cuba is the power behind the throne, limiting economic benefits to Cuba may be able to shorten Maduro's reign. Both Cuba's and Venezuela's economy are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Russia and China are also supplying Maduro with aid hoping to stick a thumb in the eye of America.

And meanwhile flight TK183 ( Turkish Airlines ) arrives at Caracas every other day... via Havana....

There are some strange bedfellows in this world.....

And ... just to take the curse off it... the sailing related bit.... some years ago (2013) when cruising the Atacama coast I had - for a few weeks - a crew member ..... a retired Russian electrician living on an island off the coast of Ven... reckoned he could live quite well on his russian pension there ... which he couldn't in Russia... nice bloke...

[Mike OReilly]

From a purely selfish Canadian perspective, I’m not displeased. The embargo, and all the silliness, has been a boon to Canadian business and Canadian tourists. Unfortunately, this change will halt the growth of American presence in Cuba, but that will be a good thing for us Canucks who will continue to visit, invest and enjoy Cuba .

[Copacabana]

Originally Posted by roverhi

Cuba has got its fingers in every country south of the border that will have them. In Venezuela they have trained and are supplying advisors to a paramilitary force that is keeping Maduro in power. Otherwise Maduro is trading oil for Cuban trained thugs. Since Trump is trying to get Maduro out of power and Cuba is the power behind the throne, limiting economic benefits to Cuba may be able to shorten Maduro's reign. Both Cuba's and Venezuela's economy are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Russia and China are also supplying Maduro with aid hoping to stick a thumb in the eye of America.

I think you overestimate the power and influence of this tiny island nation. Russia and China on the other hand...

[S/V Illusion]

We were in Cuba about 1 year ago and enjoyed the hospitality of some old friends who toured the island with us. For those of you who don’t understand the problems, and there seems to be quite a few here, the difference in economic status between Cubans is startling. There is actually a ‘ruling class’ who by any standard of comparison is quite rich while the majority are improverished much more than any other Caribbean island including Haiti and the DR. No middle class as we know it.

Money there belongs to the government, politically well-connected and the military. We felt guilty spending money there knowing it wasn’t helping the people or their economy and we would never go back because of the inequity there.

It’s blatantly ludicrous that people who claim to be progressives in this country criticize the motive for banning further exploitation of the people there.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Copacabana

I think you overestimate the power and influence of this tiny island nation. Russia and China on the other hand...

If you had lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis wherein the entire world waited in fear for days for WW3 and the end of civilization you would not underestimate the capacity of this small country for mischief making.