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Old 12-10-2025, 17:54   #1
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Glorious Orcas

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...orcas-36056193


Hi guys and girls.


They opened the can but did not eat the sardinas.


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Re: Glorious Orcas

Now that is serious news. Anybody Fact Check?
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A sailboat did sink after interaction with Orca's on Friday night SW of Peniche.. nearly by Lisbon and Cabo Roca if distances are accurate.
Pulled out of their Liferaft by a Peniche based vessel then airlifted to land.. no reports of Liferaft being bothered.
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Now that is serious news. Anybody Fact Check?

The Mirror not reliable enough for you ?


Ask Google Ai perhaps ...



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Probably plenty of details on French forums. I looked up the boat her name sounded French to me.


There is also a broad mention in a local paper but I do not speak Portuguese well enough to translate. I did understand "orcas, boat, sank, 5, crew, children, rudder, flooded, damage, Peniche" and "raft".


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I'm suspicious of the claim that orcas "rammed" the boat. Maybe typical land-based journo hyperbole? Seems like most, or all, of the attacks I have read about involved orcas messing with the rudder which caused catastrophic leaking. Ramming seems like it would be a bit painful for the orca.
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The Mirror not reliable enough for you ?
Absolutely not. As gutter tabloid press goes the mirror is down at the bottom of the bucket, sensationalist reactionary garbage.

Say "I read it in the mirror" to anyone in the UK they will laugh in your face and be surprised you would even admit to such a thing....
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Translated from Publico..

Sailboat sinks after encounter with orcas off Peniche. Five people rescued
Two adults and three children were aboard a sailboat that sank after an encounter with orcas. The crew members were rescued by the Portuguese Navy and received hospital care.

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Five people had to be rescued this Friday after the sailboat they were on sank following an interaction with orcas, about 90 kilometers off the coast, off Peniche. The search and rescue operation was carried out by the Navy.

The incident occurred late in the afternoon of this Friday, the 10th. A Portuguese woman, a man, and three French children were aboard the sailboat TI'FARE, "sailing 45 nautical miles, the equivalent of about 90 kilometers" off the coast, the Portuguese Navy described in a statement, when they were surprised by a pod of orcas and radioed the Lisbon Maritime Search and Rescue Center for help.

Contact with the animals resulted in "water entering the ship, which subsequently led to the sinking of the sailboat," the same branch of the Portuguese Armed Forces further explains.

"Several Maritime Search and Rescue units were immediately deployed to the scene to provide a quick and effective response. The frigate D. Francisco de Almeida, the fishing vessel SILMAR, a vessel from the Peniche Lifeguard Station, and the Portuguese Air Force EH-101 helicopter were also involved in the rescue," the same source explains.

When authorities arrived at the scene, and as the ship was sinking, the crew had already transferred to the liferaft and were transported by an Air Force helicopter to the Montijo base, where they received medical support from the National Institute of Emergency Medicine (INEM).

"Later, they were all transported to a hospital," the Navy concluded in a statement. The health status of the adults and children is currently unknown.

This incident off Peniche joins others that have occurred along the Portuguese coast in recent weeks. There are dozens of incidents each year. One of the most recent occurred on September 13th, off Costa da Caparica. The ship also sank.

In 2023, the Institute for Nature Conservation and Forests (ICNF) even prohibited maritime tourism vessels from actively approaching pods of orcas in order to prevent these incidents.

This behavior, however, continues to become increasingly frequent throughout the Iberian Peninsula. Scientists do not believe it is aggressive behavior intended to intimidate, but the causes are still being studied.
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Re: Glorious Orcas

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Absolutely not. As gutter tabloid press goes the mirror is down at the bottom of the bucket, sensationalist reactionary garbage.

Say "I read it in the mirror" to anyone in the UK they will laugh in your face and be surprised you would even admit to such a thing....
Indeed.
“The Mirror US”* is reputed to be Left-Center Biased, as they have explicitly stated on their platform [& similar to its UK counterpart], based on story selection, that moderately favours the left.
They’re also rate Mixed, for factual reporting, due to sensational content, and emotionally driven narratives, as well as failed fact checks [1].
The Mirror prioritizes emotional engagement, and dramatic storytelling, and relies on sensationalism, and visuals, to captivate its audience.

* The Mirror US is the American edition of The Mirror UK [formerly The Daily Mirror], a British tabloid, founded in 1903, by Alfred Harmsworth.


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So what folks?


That Mirror reported the accident means it had no place ?


No orcas' attack ?


No boat sunk ?


No children in that liferaft ?


Please expand on your press conspiracy theories for you got me lost on the facts.


ahhhh - yes - now I see - you are waiting for this to be on the Facebook and Noforeignland ... and THEN you will believe


I still remember what Jesus said to that guy who did not believe his wounds were real. "Wait till autumn 2025 and Facebook will confirm my death and my resurrection".


Have a glorious sunny day. Read news. Then claim they are not true because they do not fit your vision of the world.


really


Boat sunk. People in liferaft. Portugal. Orcas attack.


ps yes now they too ram the hulls at times - that was confirmed in some recent reports - the young ones biting the rudder while the old ones (the teachers) watched and then went for the keel/ballast


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ps yes now they too ram the hulls at times - that was confirmed in some recent reports - the young ones biting the rudder while the old ones (the teachers) watched and then went for the keel/ballast
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That may be the case, but I have not seen video evidence of ramming. What I see a lot of reports of ramming associated with video of orcas attacking the rudder. "Ramming" sounds a lot sexier in a headline than "chewing on the rudder until the boat sinks".
While searching for video of orcas actually ramming yachts I found this gem:


https://www.facebook.com/thebrainmaz...5628204954506/
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Old 14-10-2025, 15:43   #12
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It is often about rudder design. I mean the sinking or not.


Some blade rudders pass thru both the hull and the deck. These are less likely to flod the hull when hit.


Also, some boats have a flood dam between the rudder and the main body. These, again, are less likely to sink too.


But then there are those (no names, no names, please) boat brands that are known to have rudders passing only thru the hull and NOT supported above with another bearing passing thru the deck ... now ... some of these do not have that sexy dam to stop the flood either.


So this is not just the crazy animals but also some crazy designers (and some crazy sailors buying their boats).


Not ranting. But clearly we want to be ready. And for the time being avoid that coast too !


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Another small boat, 36 feet. Make not mentioned but probably relatively light design, cantilevered spade rudder. Just guessing. I can’t recall the ‘threshold size’ recommendation for the Orcas to leave you alone. I believe + 45-50 feet.

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I have heard that it is advisable to keep a supply of "flashbangs" onboard when traversing known areas of Orca attacks. Fortunately, Orcas on the Pacific West Coast of NA have yet to become a hazard to yachts. Thus we in this section of coastal paradise need not worry . . . . . YET!
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I sailed in Pacific NW waters off the coast of Washington and Oregon USA. As a rule if I see an Orca or any other whale I give it a wide berth whenever I can. What is below the surface is not visible to me but if the whale has a new calf down there she will be territorial and aggressive to a degree. Mess with her and it can be downright toasty. Give whales their space and generally they will give you yours. Also if you are in deeper waters offshore disable your sonar. They hear the sonar when we cannot. Remember, they were here first and they are very big.
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