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Old 17-12-2020, 01:28   #346
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Jimmy Cornell goes Electric, with a Cat

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When the RNLI make all electric, all weather lifeboats, then electric has come of age!


They are looking at hybrids
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Old 18-12-2020, 09:44   #347
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Re: Jimmy Cornell goes Electric, with a Cat

So.


How far is the world's most famous sailing influencer by now?


Has he crossed the Atlantic?


How well does the system perform?


I looked for a tracker, but cannot see it on public servers.


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Old 18-12-2020, 22:21   #348
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Where is this vessel going to?

The vessel is currently at port LA GRANDE MOTTE, FR after a voyage of 10 days, 18 hours originating from port TENERIFE, ES.


https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...:AVENTURA_ZERO


Generator install.....????
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Where is this vessel going to?

The vessel is currently at port LA GRANDE MOTTE, FR after a voyage of 10 days, 18 hours originating from port TENERIFE, ES.


https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...:AVENTURA_ZERO


Generator install.....????
The last paragraph of his explanation for abandoning the Elcano Challenge certainly seems to suggest a generator install....

https://cornellsailing.com/2020/12/electric-shock/

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The prospect of being forced to stop in Brazil, where the Covid situation is totally out of control, was another risk I was not prepared to take. I had already decided to spend the winter in the Canaries when I saw the latest forecast and the possibility of three days of southerly winds. It was a temptation impossible to resist. We left immediately and are now close to having sailed half the distance to Gibraltar. As we left Tenerife, Michael was on the dock to cast off our lines. His last words were, “Jimmy, sail straight to Outremer and have them install you a decent genset!”

And that’s where we are going.

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Old 19-12-2020, 04:43   #350
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Only in an artificial sense.

Most governments mandate renewable sources get first access to markets over traditional sources.

The result is typically, all the solar/wind power gets used and they throttle back the traditional plants. This creates inefficiencies in the traditional plants as they are used at a small fraction of their capability. The problem is the public expects power to even at night when the wind isn't blowing, so solar/wind require the cost of a backup power source. Batteries are one option but a very expensive option.

The result is as you scale up renewables to anything close to 100% of demand, you wind up with excess power during peak sun and peak wind.
From a commercial standpoint almost all renewables are waste for the simple fact that base load generation must be able to supply 100% of the system needs at a moments notice. Nukes don't cycle, coal cycles slowly, only gas turbines have the ability to cycle easily to accommodate the up and down cycles of renewables. The system has to be +100% conventional power to meet demand. Thus adding renewables is waste.
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Where is this vessel going to?

The vessel is currently at port LA GRANDE MOTTE, FR after a voyage of 10 days, 18 hours originating from port TENERIFE, ES.


https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...:AVENTURA_ZERO


Generator install.....????

Generator. No comment.


The greatest cruiser of them all failed to do the basic energy balance calc?


Well. It looks like his tech skills do not match his bussiness skills.


I would still like to know what happened to that Garcia he used to promote so vigorously before Outremer offered him a better deal.


Outremer seems loaded with excess cash - first Delos, now this.



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The greatest cruiser of them all failed to do the basic energy balance calc?
So it seems. I hope there will be more information.

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Outremer seems loaded with excess cash - first Delos, now this.
Delos + Outremer? What happened there?
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So it seems. I hope there will be more information.







Delos + Outremer? What happened there?


I think he means La Vagabonde, who by the way are paying for their Outremer.
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So it seems. I hope there will be more information.



Delos + Outremer? What happened there?



I stand corrected. It was the other boat. As someone already corrected 'Vagabonde'.


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Re: Jimmy Cornell goes Electric, with a Cat

Sounds like a classic case of a solution in search of a problem.

Instead of looking at what they needed and designing to what they need. They had a solution and then tried to make the world conform to that solution.
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Sounds like a classic case of a solution in search of a problem.

Instead of looking at what they needed and designing to what they need. They had a solution and then tried to make the world conform to that solution.
Doesn't makes sense to me at all. Why not load the boat up with solar. 1300 watts for a cat isn't that big. For an electric cat thats pretty much nothing. The O'kellys have almost 3k and they have diesel engines.
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Generator. No comment.


The greatest cruiser of them all failed to do the basic energy balance calc?


Well. It looks like his tech skills do not match his bussiness skills.


I would still like to know what happened to that Garcia he used to promote so vigorously before Outremer offered him a better deal.


Outremer seems loaded with excess cash - first Delos, now this.



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From a commercial standpoint almost all renewables are waste for the simple fact that base load generation must be able to supply 100% of the system needs at a moments notice. Nukes don't cycle, coal cycles slowly, only gas turbines have the ability to cycle easily to accommodate the up and down cycles of renewables. The system has to be +100% conventional power to meet demand. Thus adding renewables is waste.
...you will not be heard...!
(& also: the hardware of the "renewables" is FAR!! from renewable!)
One big problem "ashore" is much the same as on board: the storage!
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the very best lecture on "change to alternative energies" - unfortunately in Kraut:
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Pending a detailed analysis of the information gathered during this trip, it is time to give some initial explanations:

- The hydro-generation system of the Oceanvolt motors worked perfectly during the tests in La Grande Motte and the first trip to Seville.
- The specifications took into account very economical on-board consumption for 2 crew members. It does appear that the shift to 4 crew members and the use of energy-intensive equipment contributed to the scarcity of resources during periods of no wind.
- Hydrogeneration in manual mode, which is necessary in rough seas, requires a strong appropriation of the system by the crew, whose learning period of a month on a new boat was probably not enough.
- 100% electric navigation requires even more emphasis on heading speed in order to optimize electricity production.
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We need to improve the readability of the information relating to the consumption of the motors but also that of the on-board equipment.


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