Winter berthing in Italy

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Originally Posted by karabil

Australia does have a seperate agreement with the countries I listed above. As i said Italy, Spain, Germany, Netherlands allow Australians time in their countries regardless of time spent in other schengen countries, BUT the other schengen countries will count your time in all schengen countries, thats why you have to plan the direction of travel.

Germany allows Australians to stay in Germany for 90, exit to a preferably non schengen country for a day and then re enter for another 90 days. The advice is a non schengen so you are stamped as entering Germany, not the schengen. You can continue this pattern.

Italy allows Australians 3 months in, 1 month out, 3 months in etc. Exact wording in the document no. 2447, signed in Rome on 19th june 1951 and still effective states - Australian nationals in possession of a valid Australian passport who decide to enter Italy for reasons other than taking up permamemt residence, will be able to enter, and re,ain in, the territory of the republic for a period not exceeding 3 months without a visa,. This concession does not apply to Somaliland, which is under Italian trusteeship administration. Australian nationals who have entered Italy without a visa and have spent 3 concecutive months in the country, may re-enter Italy without a visa after an absence from the territory of the republic of a period of one month, unless they obtain special exemption from the appropriate authorities. It continues on to say you have to comply with laws which doesnt allow employments etc.

I reserched both these agreements on the web, the German one was easy to find, the Italian a little harder so I printed it out. Havnt bothered with the Spanish or others yet as not options for me.

Obviously contact the embassy of whichever country you want to spend the extra time in to verify that they understand these agreements are still valid. According to what I found they are.


Visas for Australians in Europe: How the Schengen and bilateral agreements allow travellers to stay longer

Is there a similar rule for US passport who wants to spend 6 months in Italy?

[Euge]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

You might want to read the agreement a little more carefully. Unless Australia has a different arrangement with Italy that I don’t know about, it’s 90 in Schengen countries, then 90 out. Not 90 days in each consecutive. I do know that Italy isn’t very stringent with enforcement of several countries, America, Australia etc., but just try to exit via a country like Switzerland... you’d better have all your days counted and your ducks in order.... or you’ll be facing fines or expulsion from Schengen countries.

Please check it out before you face substantial fines for overstaying.

Note: All of the EU Schengen countries are now using the computerized passport identification system.... no more waving people through checkpoints like a few years ago.

Hey Kenomac,
Tried to send you a pm but bounced. We are in San Giorgio, the place is rather quaint and thank you for the recommendation. I was wondering if you had any positive or negative experiences with local trades? We are after a Yanmar mechanic and just someone who knows boats well.
Cheers
Euge

[LongRange]

Originally Posted by karabil

Australia does have a seperate agreement with the countries I listed above. As i said Italy, Spain, Germany, Netherlands allow Australians time in their countries regardless of time spent in other schengen countries, BUT the other schengen countries will count your time in all schengen countries, thats why you have to plan the direction of travel.

Germany allows Australians to stay in Germany for 90, exit to a preferably non schengen country for a day and then re enter for another 90 days. The advice is a non schengen so you are stamped as entering Germany, not the schengen. You can continue this pattern.

Italy allows Australians 3 months in, 1 month out, 3 months in etc. Exact wording in the document no. 2447, signed in Rome on 19th june 1951 and still effective states - Australian nationals in possession of a valid Australian passport who decide to enter Italy for reasons other than taking up permamemt residence, will be able to enter, and re,ain in, the territory of the republic for a period not exceeding 3 months without a visa,. This concession does not apply to Somaliland, which is under Italian trusteeship administration. Australian nationals who have entered Italy without a visa and have spent 3 concecutive months in the country, may re-enter Italy without a visa after an absence from the territory of the republic of a period of one month, unless they obtain special exemption from the appropriate authorities. It continues on to say you have to comply with laws which doesnt allow employments etc.

I reserched both these agreements on the web, the German one was easy to find, the Italian a little harder so I printed it out. Havnt bothered with the Spanish or others yet as not options for me.

Obviously contact the embassy of whichever country you want to spend the extra time in to verify that they understand these agreements are still valid. According to what I found they are.


http://www.traveller.com.au/how-the-...initely-h0ufui

We are Australian, and in our months of searching we have never heard of these other-than-Schengen agreements from an official on either side - Australian or European. It may well be that somewhere on the books these obscure agreements really do exist, but personally I would not want to risk incurring persona non grata status because some legally "uninformed" computer system flagged us for overstaying our Schengen time.

I think nowadays that is the real problem - not the stereotypical angry immigration official, but a faceless computer program which trawls through entry and exit dates for millions, dispassionately putting a black mark against all who fall foul of its simple calculus, perhaps years after the fact.

[Pinto]

Originally Posted by karabil

Australia does have a seperate agreement with the countries I listed above. As i said Italy, Spain, Germany, Netherlands allow Australians time in their countries regardless of time spent in other schengen countries, BUT the other schengen countries will count your time in all schengen countries, thats why you have to plan the direction of travel.

Germany allows Australians to stay in Germany for 90, exit to a preferably non schengen country for a day and then re enter for another 90 days. The advice is a non schengen so you are stamped as entering Germany, not the schengen. You can continue this pattern.

Italy allows Australians 3 months in, 1 month out, 3 months in etc. Exact wording in the document no. 2447, signed in Rome on 19th june 1951 and still effective states - Australian nationals in possession of a valid Australian passport who decide to enter Italy for reasons other than taking up permamemt residence, will be able to enter, and re,ain in, the territory of the republic for a period not exceeding 3 months without a visa,. This concession does not apply to Somaliland, which is under Italian trusteeship administration. Australian nationals who have entered Italy without a visa and have spent 3 concecutive months in the country, may re-enter Italy without a visa after an absence from the territory of the republic of a period of one month, unless they obtain special exemption from the appropriate authorities. It continues on to say you have to comply with laws which doesnt allow employments etc.

I reserched both these agreements on the web, the German one was easy to find, the Italian a little harder so I printed it out. Havnt bothered with the Spanish or others yet as not options for me.

Obviously contact the embassy of whichever country you want to spend the extra time in to verify that they understand these agreements are still valid. According to what I found they are.


http://www.traveller.com.au/how-the-...initely-h0ufui

thanks for the information

and thanks for confusing my already confused life - I thought I had this all sorted out - but, this puts a different light on it

I am getting a LT visa for France - and, intended to pop out to other Shengen countries for 90 days - then whip back home to France or over to Croatia or similar (I am an Aussie).

Going to a few places - this made it not the easiest - but, these agreements might work really well - -I will just have to sit down with about 37 cups of coffee and sort out what it actually means.

It won't effect me for quite a while because I arrive in the UK about november - and will stay until ?? feb/march - then go into France - where I ???????? halfway expect to not emerge from for possibly a couple of years -

hard to say - I might poke my nose up into the Moselle or similar - but, I wasn't really thinking of hitting the Med or heading to the North all that far for a couple of years - I think I can be entertained in France for a long time and germany is easy.

thanks for this ---------- first I heard of it