Originally Posted by cavitation
I realise this thread is a couple of years old but I am hoping someone can give some current
information for some Australians planing to sail within the Shengan states.
In a couple of months we will pick up our newly acquired yacht and sail the Med. Then make our way across the North Atlantic to Panama
and sail across the South Pacific
We have been working under the impression that we only had 90 days of Shenghan visa to sail the Med. And to make us a little more nervous, we burned up 2 weeks looking at the boat in December.
We plan to sail across the Ionian
Sea to Greece and then back up the western side of Italy to France, Spain etc and then get out of the territories before our time was up. I have just read the 3 pages of this thread and have seen glimmers of hope that the 90 day ruling may be each of the countries that I listed. Can anyone give a fresh update?
90 days is not indeed for each Schengen country; it is collectively. In normal (non-treaty) Schengen countries, you are allowed 90 out of any 180 days inside the Schengen area, and the other 90 days must be spent outside of the Schengen area.
The bilateral agreements discussed in this thread are exceptions to that rule
based on earlier signed treaties.
As far as I know, all these treaties are still in effect, so you may be able to use them here or there. According to this: https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/bef...asics/schengen
you've got one of these for Italy and Spain but not for France (oddly, as Americans have one for France) or Greece.
The way this normally works (you need to check and verify for yourself) is that you can stay on in one of these countries after your Schengen days are otherwise exhausted, provided you still have treaty days according to the rules of the treaty country. So for example you might stay 3 months in France, then if you go to Italy, you get another 60 or 90 days or whatever, and after that you can go to Spain, and you get yet another 60, 90 or whatever days.
Note well that it doesn't work
the other way around!! So time in Italy and other treaty countries is still counted as Schengen days in non-treaty countries like France. So you CAN'T spend 3 months in Italy and then go to France. But you CAN spend 3 months in Italy, and then go to Spain.
And note that the whole South coast of the Med is non-Schengen, as is Cyprus
and the East coast
of the Adriatic
except Croatia. Time in those countries does not count at all towards Schengen days, in any way. In fact 3 months in those countries resets the clock and you get another 90 Schengen days.
So I think with a little planning (and a lot of careful research) you should be fine. Just hit the non-treaty Schengen countries (like France and Greece) before you've been in Europe
for 90 days, and spend the rest of the trip in treaty countries like Italy and Spain and non-Schengen countries. Or, if you want to linger for a while, spend a good bit of time in non-Schengen countries and reset the clock.
Note also that the location of the boat is irrelevant to this. It is only the location of the passport-holders. So you can also leave the boat somewhere in the Schengen zone for 3 months if you want and go somewhere non-Schengen, to reset the clock. Beware of VAT and customs
rules, however, which DO affect the boat -- that's a separate discussion.
Do post about what you find out to help others on here. Good luck.
P.S. France does not appear to have a treaty with Oz, but France is one Schengen country where you can apply for a 6 months or year tourist visa, if you want to spend more time there than would be allowed under Schengen rules.