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11-01-2016, 16:49
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
And this on the one day I forgot to stock up on
Thanks, Murphy
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11-01-2016, 17:28
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
Wow, that escalated fast!
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11-01-2016, 17:48
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Long Range Cruiser
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
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Originally Posted by Munchi MIke
I'll ask INFORMED people
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You have.
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11-01-2016, 18:43
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
I'm so confused....... but just because this thread was started by someone with less than Stella manners. Please continue with the advise as I and I'm sure others would like to be informed about Internet options while sailing the med.
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11-01-2016, 19:27
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
To the previous poster SimonV, (The OP can go whistle)
The question was wrongly posed. There is no DSL over sat. There is no DSL in the EU, its called ADSL, because it is Asymmetrical, ie the UL/DL ratios differ.
If he meant Satellite Broadband, then let him go that route and waste his money.
The best internet access in the Med is by 4G or 3G HSPA/HSUPA etc ie wireless GSM.
The word BEST in the above sentence refers to ease of use and per megabyte and set up costs. With a cell phone antenna amplifier you can get 20 miles offshore, and you are not really going to be doing work while making passages.
You must look at what frequencies the providers use in the countries you will be transiting. In Spain, Germany, France, there is a company called SIMYO and ALL their hardware is unlocked, ie you can use it on any carrier. Look at this WiFi/GSM Router Telefonos libres | Moviles baratos | Simyo
Look for the frequencies here GSM World Coverage Map- GSM Country List by frequency bands
Its easy, just try not to sign any contracts and go prepaid as much as you can....
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11-01-2016, 20:12
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
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Originally Posted by sy_gilana
To the previous poster SimonV, (The OP can go whistle)
The question was wrongly posed. There is no DSL over sat. There is no DSL in the EU, its called ADSL, because it is Asymmetrical, ie the UL/DL ratios differ.
If he meant Satellite Broadband, then let him go that route and waste his money.
The best internet access in the Med is by 4G or 3G HSPA/HSUPA etc ie wireless GSM.
The word BEST in the above sentence refers to ease of use and per megabyte and set up costs. With a cell phone antenna amplifier you can get 20 miles offshore, and you are not really going to be doing work while making passages.
You must look at what frequencies the providers use in the countries you will be transiting. In Spain, Germany, France, there is a company called SIMYO and ALL their hardware is unlocked, ie you can use it on any carrier. Look at this WiFi/GSM Router Telefonos libres | Moviles baratos | Simyo
Look for the frequencies here GSM World Coverage Map- GSM Country List by frequency bands
Its easy, just try not to sign any contracts and go prepaid as much as you can....
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To add to the above, I prefer to advise people to get a SIM card for a cell phone, rather than pay for a cell and a wifi hotspot. My reasoning is you can tether the phone to your tablet or laptop for internet access as well as use it as a phone, instead of paying for 2 SIM cards and devices.
I have a Samsung Note II (unlocked international model), and it's large enough that I can do 99% of my internet stuff on it without needing my laptop or tablet, but if I'm doing something that really needs the screen real estate, I can easily tether it via wifi or USB tether.
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11-01-2016, 20:24
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
WOW.. MIke you have a very bad approach.... you need to dial it back and be a bit more humble...Remember... you were asking for help? People on this forum are very helpful and supportive... but you have ticked off two of the most helpful..Lizzie and Mark lickity split.
Give it some thought.
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11-01-2016, 20:29
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
I think we should turn this an an anchor and gun thread.
Mike, what kind of anchor are you planning on using with that DSL?
Boy, that's pretty stupid!
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11-01-2016, 20:34
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
Here's my short summary of internet access methods for boats (so wired options ignored), simplified version for those that don't understand the terminology (not to mention any names  )
1. Wifi. Cheap, sometimes free. Can be high speed with a good connection. Range max 4-5 miles from marina, coffee shop or other source with proper equipment.
2. Cell based, 3G-4G. Inexpensive. High speed with a good connection. Max Range, 10-20 miles from cell tower with booster system.
3. HF Radio (HAM, SSB). Cheap. Low speed. Global range.
4. Satellite. EXPENSIVE to VERY EXPENSIVE depending on speed and data. Global Range.
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11-01-2016, 21:21
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
I'll just add that, in my experience, without an external booster, I rarely can get 3G/4G coverage with my cell phone at 3-5 miles from shore. In most cases, the antennas seem not to be aimed out to sea. Areas near fishing ports may be an exception, as they seem to have better coverage.
I suspect it's possible to put an antenna at the top of the mast, use a booster, and get reasonably good 3G/4G coverage. Probably not legal though.
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11-01-2016, 21:46
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
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Originally Posted by mcarling
I'll just add that, in my experience, without an external booster, I rarely can get 3G/4G coverage with my cell phone at 3-5 miles from shore
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That was my experience up the US east coast. About 5 miles no connection. Odd thing, everyone on the boat showed 4-5 bars on their phones, two Verizon and one ATT, but could not connect.
Either the receiving antennas on the cell towers were focused closer to shore or perhaps the 1/4-1/8 Watt transmitters in the phones just didn't have the power to reach that far. Would be interesting to get an opinion on this from a cell expert.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcarling
I suspect it's possible to put an antenna at the top of the mast, use a booster, and get reasonably good 3G/4G coverage. Probably not legal though.
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Not sure about that but they are sold openly in the states.
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11-01-2016, 22:41
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Location: USA & Argentina
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
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Originally Posted by Sun and Moon
I think we should turn this an an anchor and gun thread.
Mike, what kind of anchor are you planning on using with that DSL?
Boy, that's pretty stupid!
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Did someone mention guns :-)
What a strange thread. Things must be pretty high anxiety in Europe these days.
Anyway the most obvious solution is bring your house phone on board connected to 3,000 Mile of telephone wire. You can lay your own ADSL seabed network while your sailing. As for the satellite Internet connection you can sign up for satellite Internet abd pay about $2,500 a month. I think that's the cheap plan.
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12-01-2016, 02:43
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Re: Satellite DSL for Cruisers in the Med
At the risk of being accused of thread hijack (ok it is - but only a bit), we'll be sailing in the carribean and the US/canada for a couple of years starting next christmas (coming over with the ARC).
So - what do we do? My european 3/4G sim cards will work in the US and probably the carribean (ouch the $$$$$$).
Do any of the american phone companies offer something that can be used both in the carribean and the US/canada?
Here I'm thinking about installing a wifi hotspot on the boat - using 1 sim card to power the entire boat and (If I can figure it out) also using that for my phone when I'm on the boat.
I'm not a tech nerd so please have a bit of sympathy. If you're going to get technical - explain it so a dummy like me can understand it
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