New taxes in Greece

[john61ct]

Yes a sliding scale based on income would be much better.

But hard to enforce as discussed, so boat length is probably a reasonable proxy for wealth.

[Anders]

I don't know how many times I've heard about a boat tax in Greece. I've not had to pay even one cent in tax.

[meirriba]

One problem is the unexplained jump in the rate when going over 12m LOA.
Thanks god our boat is 11.97m...

[MartinR]

I was at the coast guard in Mytilini today. The tax will be in effect on 2 April. And they think the payment system will be also..... , hopefully. Anyhow, fines are due if not paid by 2 April. But my guess is nobody is going to collect the fines, as the CG does not like this tax at all.

Anyhow, it is possible to put the boat in bond if you are not using it, and for this period no taxes are due. I did so today. You fill in a nice form in Greek, deliver your DEKPA and registration, pay 50c, they write all of this in a big book, stamped and all. Seems to work:-). They say it does not matter if the boat is in the water or on land.

Different CG stations may have different ideas about this, though.

This is Greece, woefully unorganised, but very charming

[kas_1611]

Just in via Cleopatra Marina - links to FAQs and Brochure for the TEPAI tax

https://www.aade.gr/dl_assets/etepai...rochure_en.pdf

https://www.aade.gr/dl_assets/etepai/etepai_faqs_en.pdf

"The eTEPAI application where you can pay TEPAI is not available yet and there is no information as to when this will be ready to run.
Also we are informing you that Preveza Port Authorities and Customs have not received yet official detailed instructions as to how to apply the TEPAI.
The first period will be a troubleshooting period and patience will be required."

[AxelCl]

Agree with Anders on this one, have heard about it many times before, never implemented or enforced as with many laws in Greece. Wouldn't hold my breath...

[kas_1611]

Originally Posted by AxelCl

Agree with Anders on this one, have heard about it many times before, never implemented or enforced as with many laws in Greece. Wouldn't hold my breath...

I wouldn't either as it is in force from tomorrow. How well it happens at first is still to be discovered but it will happen. Once they get the e-TEPAI system up and running so we can process and pay it online it will be a lot easier.

[kas_1611]

Literally hot off the press:

From The Cruising Associate

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Greek Cruising Tax delayed by one month
The long running saga of the Greek Cruising tax, known as the TEPAI, was due for implementation on 2 April 2019 following the first attempt to introduce it in 2014. However, the Cruising Association (CA) reports that there has at last been a breakthrough regarding the TEPAI, with the Greeks agreeing to delay this new tax until 2nd May.
They have also published important concessions, namely:
• Yachts hauled out of the water are automatically deemed "Out of Use" - in their description, "Not in Greek Waters". There is no need to file your ship's papers when hauled out. This will remove a significant issue.
Note: Yachts "Out of Use" but still in the water are required to file their ship's papers with Customs (Transit Log) or Port Police (DEKPA).
• Initially, you can back-pay tax if you "willingly" go and pay it, if you are found to be unpaid - and will therefore avoid a fine.
Christopher Robb of the CA who has worked tirelessly to get some concessions from the Greek government comments, "There are still further issues needing clarification, but the main issues of initial fines has been passed. We still expect that there may be queues at the Port Police at the end of each month, but much of the pressure has been lifted from them.”
ENDS

[AxelCl]

Bear in mind that there's going to be a new government in a few months, not sure they will be keen on this tax

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by AxelCl

Bear in mind that there's going to be a new government in a few months, not sure they will be keen on this tax

Is there any government, that is not keen on taxes?

[MartinR]

Only say thanks to Christopher Robb one more time.

[yeloya]

To my surprise, it seems that this time Greece is more serious on implementing this tax. Below is the message that we received today from our agency in Rhodes.

"
Dear Partners,
we would like to inform you that from today, the new Tax Law e-TE.P.A.I. (Recreational and Daily Tour Cruise Ships Fee) is valid. This Fee applies to all private and professional vessels, regardless of the flag (Greek flag, flag of a Member State of the European Union and flag outside the European Union) and total length over seven (7) meters.
For more information, queries or questions you may have, we are at your disposal at any time.
"

To remind you, the fees per month and the fines if you don't pay are as follows;
8-10 m = 25 € fix , fine=300 €
10-12 m = 33 € fix, fine 400 €
>12 m = 8 € per meter, fine 1.100 €

The boat will not be allowed to move until the fine is paid.

You can pay the fees either through an agency if you use any or via internet at:
www.aade.gr/polities/etepai with the password "e-Pravolo"

I haven't tried the link myself, thus no idea how it works..

The one month fee is applied even if you stay one day. If you pay for one year, then 10% discount applies.

Cheers

Yeloya

[gmakhs]

With elections coming this and the next year I really doubt that the tax will be enforced or even stay active after next year .

[kas_1611]

Originally Posted by yeloya

To my surprise, it seems that this time Greece is more serious on implementing this tax. Below is the message that we received today from our agency in Rhodes.

"
Dear Partners,
we would like to inform you that from today, the new Tax Law e-TE.P.A.I. (Recreational and Daily Tour Cruise Ships Fee) is valid. This Fee applies to all private and professional vessels, regardless of the flag (Greek flag, flag of a Member State of the European Union and flag outside the European Union) and total length over seven (7) meters.
For more information, queries or questions you may have, we are at your disposal at any time.
"

To remind you, the fees per month and the fines if you don't pay are as follows;
8-10 m = 25 € fix , fine=300 €
10-12 m = 33 € fix, fine 400 €
>12 m = 8 € per meter, fine 1.100 €

The boat will not be allowed to move until the fine is paid.

You can pay the fees either through an agency if you use any or via internet at:
www.aade.gr/polities/etepai with the password "e-Pravolo"

I haven't tried the link myself, thus no idea how it works..

The one month fee is applied even if you stay one day. If you pay for one year, then 10% discount applies.

Cheers

Yeloya

The Link comes up with the Greek for "The page you requested could not be found"

Which kind of confirms what the CA had said recently that the online payment system was not functioning. Advice so far has been to not register or pay anything until such time as the e-payment is available. Even the Greek harbourmasters/Customs/Port Police have been saying "don't pay it"

[MartinR]

Originally Posted by kas_1611

The Link comes up with the Greek for "The page you requested could not be found"

What could be more Greek?