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Old 16-01-2020, 07:47   #31
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Not just skippers -- if the boat is being used in any way by EU residents. See the RYA advice on this, which is quite comprehensive.
Dockhead, would you happen to have a link to this info?

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Old 16-01-2020, 09:58   #33
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Dockhead, would you happen to have a link to this info?

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No, just trawl the RYA Legal section and you'll find this and a lot of other really useful stuff.
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No, just trawl the RYA Legal section and you'll find this and a lot of other really useful stuff.
Found it (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...-0fCIRYuWDexmP).

Here's an excerpt:

 the person responsible for the boat is normally resident outside the EU;

 the boat will leave EU waters before it has spent 18 months there;

 it will be used only by the persons responsible for bringing it into the EU and their immediate family who are also resident outside the EU;

 if the person to whom temporary admission relief has been granted wishes to leave the EU temporarily but keep the boat in the EU until their return, they will need to get prior authorisation from Customs and comply with any additional conditions which may be imposed; and

 the boat must not be lent, hired, chartered or sold whilst in the EU;
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Old 16-01-2020, 18:00   #35
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Re: New Schengen Visa Rules from Feb 2020

Thinking of doing the same. Watching.
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Re: New Schengen Visa Rules from Feb 2020

US documented boat in Europe:
Max. 18 months per EU regulation before paying VAT. Reset by landing at any non EU port (keep receipts, proof).
Unsure if previously (previous owner) paid VAT is acceptable; did ask the question on occasion be answer vary depending on person/country.
There is a very little known EU provision for retirees, sabbatical, ... to get extension beyond 18 months.

Non Eu Nationals: Max 90 days over any 180 days period.
In France, get a yearly ďtitre de sťjour ď when in the country.
Make sure to prepare all the required paperwork before leaving the US.
For medical/repatriation look into AXA ~ $1/ day.
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Old 20-01-2020, 22:53   #37
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My case is a non EU citizen, buying a new yacht in France this April. It will be purely private use and will be registered outside in a non EU country from the beginning ie No VAT paid. We will be cruising through the Med for several years then leaving Europe permanently.
My understanding that the yacht is OK for 18 months in the EU but then must leave for a non EU country ie Turkey etc briefly and then the 18 month clock is reset.
For us the 90/180 day rule applies.
My questions are:
1. Is there any way for us to get an exemption to the 90/180 rule by way of longer tourist visas issued by any EU country.
2. I may be eligible for British citizenship which when the dust settles could allow me to stay longer, but as a dual citizen could that invoke the rule regarding EU citizens having to pay VAT on their boats.
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A British citizenship will not help you for very long since Britain is leaving the EU.
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If you have UK citizenship then it should benefit you this year. It seems that freedom of movement within the EU will apply for UK citizens at least until the end of 2020 so Schengen restrictions will not apply this year. Nothing is finally determined yet of course.
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My questions are:
1. Is there any way for us to get an exemption to the 90/180 rule by way of longer tourist visas issued by any EU country.
2. I may be eligible for British citizenship which when the dust settles could allow me to stay longer, but as a dual citizen could that invoke the rule regarding EU citizens having to pay VAT on their boats.
1. Any national visa will make you a resident of that country. VAT applies.
2. As a british subject you need proof that you are not a EU resident. Now try to explain to a Med official that will asume that you are a british resident that you are in fact not residing anywhere in the EU. I wish you good luck.
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1. Any national visa will make you a resident of that country. VAT applies.
2. As a british subject you need proof that you are not a EU resident. Now try to explain to a Med official that will asume that you are a british resident that you are in fact not residing anywhere in the EU. I wish you good luck.
I think the above is completely wrong.
1 Obtaining a visa does not make you resident in the country which issues the visa. Total baloney.
2. The UK leaves the EU in 2 weeks time. What are you talking about ?
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Question. Hiw long can the boat itself stay if it comes in on an American flag, but the crew are citizens of Ireland (and American citizens)?
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Question. Hiw long can the boat itself stay if it comes in on an American flag, but the crew are citizens of Ireland (and American citizens)?
Dual national, one of which is an EU country, bet customs will be thinking of the VAT they can charge you if they find out.

US boat with US crew, the boat can stay 18 months.

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Question. Hiw long can the boat itself stay if it comes in on an American flag, but the crew are citizens of Ireland (and American citizens)?


Where are the crew resident ? Ireland or USA ? If the former then they are EU resident and VAT is payable. If USA (or any other non-EU country) then the boat can stay in EU waters for up to 18 months and clock resets every time the boat leaves the EU eg Africa / Turkey etc etc
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Dual national, one of which is an EU country, bet customs will be thinking of the VAT they can charge you if they find out.

US boat with US crew, the boat can stay 18 months.

Pete
I don't want to ruffle any feathers. We are primarily American. Boat is built in America. Have never stepped foot in Ireland. However, I picked up the citizenship to allow better travel in Europe.

Does any of that matter?

Domicile is in USA. Just trying to stay a couple years (or 18 months) or whatever the max is.
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