New rules for entering Europe from 2024

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

I hope I live to see the day that governments, politicians are put back in their place to fix roads and assist the people instead of their parasitical ways of power hungry, war mongering, being a pita pest that they are now.

Ahh.. Socialism as opposed to Capitalism.
Socialism promises equality for all so everyone allegedly suffers equally..
Whereas..
Capitalism promises wealth over consequence so if your rich enough you don't give a $hit..

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Ahh.. Socialism as opposed to Capitalism.
Socialism promises equality for all so everyone allegedly suffers equally..
Whereas..
Capitalism promises wealth over consequence so if your rich enough you don't give a $hit..

No, not socialism at all. Just governments being put back in their place of being administrators, organizers for the people, regardless of which ideals they prefer.

It is socialism vs capitalism now and when elected they will go after the enemy side, instead of the core tasks I describe. All these ESTA schemes are just about the money and to control the people. It is not to keep a terrorist from traveling because you can simply arrest them at passport check.

[Anders]

ETIAS may happen sometime in 2024 but it's already been delayed several times. Don't worry about it until it happens. If going to the UK you will soon need an ETA.

[Ardbeg]

Just back from Scotland. They did not even check my passport except electronically and no one bothered to ask any questions. Right thru both ways from flights. I carry Canadian passport and NEXUS. Arrived Montreal and right thru with bag in 5 minutes. NEXUS meant no line for security and no line for Customs on arrival. As much as I hate governments sometimes they work.

[geoff3nebel]

There are 31 countries I believe.
Ireland, an EU member, is missing from your list...

[Paul Reading]

I wonder what problem they are all trying to solve. With millions of people leaving Africa for Europe in boats every year without passports none of which are returned I see little point in worrying if a US citizen, Aussie or Britton has completed an ETIAS, it seems an utter waste of money.

When they first came out with this idea I thought it was retaliation for the US ESTA system. As far as I can see both systems are designed for bureaucrats for the inconvenience of those that are not the problem.

There is a massive Elephant in the room, The US has its Mexican border and Europe has Africa and both are buzzing around forcing paperwork on people who have no intention of staying. ironically the people they are keeping out are probably the people they would otherwise want.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by Paul Reading

I wonder what problem they are all trying to solve. With millions of people leaving Africa for Europe in boats every year without passports none of which are returned I see little point in worrying if a US citizen, Aussie or Britton has completed an ETIAS, it seems an utter waste of money.

When they first came out with this idea I thought it was retaliation for the US ESTA system. As far as I can see both systems are designed for bureaucrats for the inconvenience of those that are not the problem.

There is a massive Elephant in the room, The US has its Mexican border and Europe has Africa and both are buzzing around forcing paperwork on people who have no intention of staying. ironically the people they are keeping out are probably the people they would otherwise want.

It’s the same the other way around: the US is overloaded with illegals and millions arrive every year and get everything. Me, not being illegal because I pay for visa, I check in etc. probably get deported when I overstay my visa for a single day and probably get blocked from returning for 10 years or so.

Reciprocity it’s called.

[geoff3nebel]

Paul Reading's and s/v Jedi's comments illustrate the absurdity of the requirements

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by geoff3nebel

Paul Reading's and s/v Jedi's comments illustrate the absurdity of the requirements

Gorra keep the obedient folks nose to the grindstone to keep em obedient.. to much to lose.
Its an accepted fact that the non compliant don't give a toss.. everything to gain..

[Farbrook]

I don't disagree with the OP comment, however I think this shouldn't be read as a change to immigration rules, only a different form of implementation (and the imposition of a small cost).

The '90 in 180' rule has been in place for some time now (and applies to the majority, if not all, nationalities mentioned) but currently compliance can probably only be checked by inspecting passport stamps, whereas ETIAS, when implemented, will be a Schengen-wide electronic database so will flag up any overstay automatically.

Also, theoretically, ETIAS's bio-intelligence will be able to spot if someone is trying to use two passports (multiple-citizenship) to get around the rules.

Entry to the Schengen Area (and indeed most countries in the world) has always been subject to the whim of the immiigration officer on entry - so no change there.

My understanding is that pleasure vessels' crews are, and will continue to be, subject to the same (90 in 180) rules. However it's unlikely (in my opinion) that all current 'Ports of Entry' will be equipped with the necessary equipment to facilitate ETIAS by its implementation date (which, as was mentioned above, has been delayed multiple times already). The effect of this might be either to reduce the number of Ports of Entry until the necessary upgrades are in place, or - hopefully - continued use of passport stamps in the interim.

Much more irritating for cruising sailors is the loss of non-Schengen countries in the EU area; Croatia was a very helpful respite for a Schengen-shuffler until it joined the bloc at the beginning of this year. Hopefully Turkey (now decades from EU membership surely) won't decide to apply for the Schengen half-way house while it waits!

[JBsurfin]

Originally Posted by boatman61

That is for entry by commercial carrier.. yet to be seen if they will bring in a USA style B1/B2 style visa for entry by sea on a private vessel.

Its for ANY travel into the EU.

[JBsurfin]

Originally Posted by Paul Reading

I wonder what problem they are all trying to solve. With millions of people leaving Africa for Europe in boats every year without passports none of which are returned I see little point in worrying if a US citizen, Aussie or Britton has completed an ETIAS, it seems an utter waste of money.

When they first came out with this idea I thought it was retaliation for the US ESTA system. As far as I can see both systems are designed for bureaucrats for the inconvenience of those that are not the problem.

There is a massive Elephant in the room, The US has its Mexican border and Europe has Africa and both are buzzing around forcing paperwork on people who have no intention of staying. ironically the people they are keeping out are probably the people they would otherwise want.

I read it was in retaliation for the US imposing a travel visa on EU residents. Tit for tat.

[JBsurfin]

Originally Posted by Anders

ETIAS may happen sometime in 2024 but it's already been delayed several times. Don't worry about it until it happens. If going to the UK you will soon need an ETA.

If I'm travelling in early '24, do you really want to take a chance on your trip for $7? Currently there is a 4 month delay in getting the approval.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by JBsurfin

I read it was in retaliation for the US imposing a travel visa on EU residents. Tit for tat.

No. EU citizens does not need a visa when flying to the US.

[Montanan]

ETIAS is no big deal, basically similar to other major English language countries which have visa free travel relationships. It will be remarkably simple.

"The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is a planned electronic authorisation system of the European Union for visa-exempt visitors travelling to the European Union or the Schengen Area (including EFTA countries), as well as Bulgaria, Cyprus, and Romania with the exception of Ireland, which is part of the Common Travel Area. The European Parliament and European Council gave their respective approvals on 12 September 2018. The implementation of ETIAS has been postponed several times. As of 2023, it is expected to become operational in 2024, with a 6-month transitional grace period to allow eligible travellers and staff to become familiar with the new system, and to catch possible technical problems.

It will be similar to other electronic travel authorisation systems, such as Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) in the United States, as well as the systems implemented by Australia, Canada and New Zealand and the planned UK electronic travel authorisation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...isation_System