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Old 22-11-2018, 01:33   #16
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I m in Greece, and I have a semi-catamaran Twice your fee for same size of boat, except mine is twice your length and half your beam. Will leave the country if this comes into effect.
You may consider Croatia, more expensive than Greece😄
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You may consider Croatia, more expensive than Greece��
Right now home to Sweden for next winter seems like a good alternative Expensive country, but having a boat there is cheap.

I am not against a tax in itself, if you get anything for it. So a boat tax to improve for example port infrastructure or buoyage would be OK. But this money will only be used to pay interest to German banks for Greek loans. And Germany is rich enough. Greece will not see one Euro of it.
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Newest news I got from Greece is that the government has postponed the enforcement of the tax until 2nd April 2018.

But I have no official confirmation yet.
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Newest news I got from Greece is that the government has postponed the enforcement of the tax until 2nd April 2018.

But I have no official confirmation yet.
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Greek Cruising Tax update from the CA - Page 19
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02.04.19!
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2019 of course. Good news. This is Greece, so maybe later. They have tried since 2014 to get this to work.
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Right now home to Sweden for next winter seems like a good alternative Expensive country, but having a boat there is cheap.

I am not against a tax in itself, if you get anything for it. So a boat tax to improve for example port infrastructure or buoyage would be OK. But this money will only be used to pay interest to German banks for Greek loans. And Germany is rich enough. Greece will not see one Euro of it.

You do.. you get the right to cruise some nice islands and leave your garbage..
Funny.. In the US/Bahamas its called it a Cruising Permit for visiting boats but here you cry about a tax..
And you wonder why cruisers are considered freeloaders.
Dont wanna pay.. Dont go.. or leave.
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Old 24-11-2018, 07:31   #23
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Freeloaders. We are paying anyhow. VAT for the marina, port fees (I think garbage is include here), VAT on all we buy. I would gladly pay a reasonable sum, but as this law is written, the cost for our old boat is appalling. She is long and narrow.....

A cruising permit for Greece we have already paid in the form of DEKPA.

The idea about the EU is that people can move freely over the borders between the countries. Boats and owners are taxed in their home countries. And yes, you are right, we are free to leave
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Freeloaders. We are paying anyhow. VAT for the marina, port fees (I think garbage is include here), VAT on all we buy. I would gladly pay a reasonable sum, but as this law is written, the cost for our old boat is appalling. She is long and narrow.....

A cruising permit for Greece we have already paid in the form of DEKPA.

The idea about the EU is that people can move freely over the borders between the countries. Boats and owners are taxed in their home countries. And yes, you are right, we are free to leave
True one pays vat.. but the locals pay that and other taxes as well, like you pay council tax for services in the UK.
Yes.. Marina fees should cover garbage disposal but when I have sailed Greece bar when collecting or delivering a boat I have never stopped in marinas.. I anchor, tie up at free docks which are all over the place..
Marinas on here seem sought mainly as somewhere to leave a boat for the winter.
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True one pays vat.. but the locals pay that and other taxes as well, like you pay council tax for services in the UK.
Do you really understand why and how this "Tax" has come about?
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Do you really understand why and how this "Tax" has come about?
Nope.. and dont really care.
I'm bored and trolling.. hopefully this will fish up some clarification and explanation.
EU countries are chockabloc with taxes if one stays put for too long..
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True one pays vat.. but the locals pay that and other taxes as well, like you pay council tax for services in the UK.
Yes.. Marina fees should cover garbage disposal but when I have sailed Greece bar when collecting or delivering a boat I have never stopped in marinas.. I anchor, tie up at free docks which are all over the place..
Marinas on here seem sought mainly as somewhere to leave a boat for the winter.
Free municipal docks are disappearing. Municipalities understand that yachting is good business and charges are being collected - minimal services offered.
In the unfinished 'marina' of Trizonia (Corinth) a guy in town council shirt came and charged us a few €, explaining that these monies will be used to install in the future water & electricity pedestals.
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Free municipal docks are disappearing. Municipalities understand that yachting is good business and charges are being collected - minimal services offered.
In the unfinished 'marina' of Trizonia (Corinth) a guy in town council shirt came and charged us a few €, explaining that these monies will be used to install in the future water & electricity pedestals.
I anchor on both sides of the Corinth.. this year it was blowing a hoolie so we spent the night on the hook behind the breakwater on the W side.. admittedly more by accident than design..
Also.. I dont go where the herd goes.
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I anchor on both sides of the Corinth.. this year it was blowing a hoolie so we spent the night on the hook behind the breakwater on the W side.. admittedly more by accident than design..
Also.. I dont go where the herd goes.
Anchoring is free (at least for now...). I referred to your mentioning of 'free docks' that I found dissappearing in Greece.
We did anchor at the E side of Corinth and inner Corinth bays and came to Trizonia which I remembered as a nice place with good restaurants. You can still anchor for free near the 'marina'
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I tend to go past Athens and turn left.. most go E and S..
Its quieter and sailboats are much rarer..
Mind have not been that way for a coupla 3 years.. depends whether the charter fleets have moved in.. but unlikely as theres not the facilities cruisers love.. one place I had to go 35km inland to find somewhere i could get cash.. plastic not accepted anywhere in the beautiful little fishing village we were anchored off.
Also got into a dispute as to whether a French euro was legal tender.. great fun..
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