BREXIT

[atoll]

Originally Posted by cyan

Selfishly, I am most interested in the future tariff on that Moody i have in mind...

i though moody is,now owened by a german company hanse yachts and built in croatia

Moody is an English brand of sailing yachts. It is originated in the former Moody shipyard in Swanwick that was founded in 1827 by John Moody. As of 2007, the brand belongs to German yacht builder HanseYachts AG, Greifswald.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by boatman61

.. you sound like Nicola Sturgeon saying getting seats in a GE is a Mandate for Independence..

Weeeelll... considering the size of the SNP win, and Scotland's feeling toward Brexit... aren't these GE results plus Brexit essentially a green light to hold an independence referendum in Scotland in the near future? What's sauce for the goose...

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

If we're measuring by area, then Siberia means more than the US and Europe combined

UK is 66 million people, and the 5th largest economy in the world, and a nation for more than 1000 years. Comparison to Oregon is silly.

The EU is NOT indeed any kind of United States of Europe, even if some people hope that it will gradually become that, and the constituent nations of the EU are not much like US states.

No it hasn't.... its barely older than the United States of America... Act of Union was 1707.... Ireland only came on board in 1801..

[weavis]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Wait until Boris drops the VAT in the UK, that should have the EU fuming as there nice little earner disappears.

Pete

This is a difficult one..Vote Leave says the UK cannot lower VAT rates as long as it is in the European Union. Michael Gove said the 5% rate of VAT on household gas and electricity bills could not be scrapped because of EU rules.

Reality Check verdict: EU rules mean the UK cannot reduce VAT on goods and services below 15%, the standard rate of VAT in the EU. The standard rate of VAT in the UK is 20%, so the government could reduce it by up to 5% today if it wanted. Domestic fuel is on a special list of pre-approved goods and services that are subject to lower VAT rates and it would require the agreement of all other EU members to reduce it further.

so whilst we are members we have curtailment of that ability. 5% reduction on the initiation of the leaving, (for I'm sure the EU will say we haven't left until all requirements are met) would be a sign of good faith. having read some preliminary papers on the possible areas of agreement, It looks very much like Britain would have to fall in line with several EU mandates, of which I'm confident equality of VAT will be one.

WTO would solve all this. Did you read the terms of Johnsons leave? I swear its the same as Mrs May. No wonder Farage is saying its not good.. Because it isnt.

[Hartings]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The Loser's Lament..

Where are Corbyn, Swinson et al now.. you sound like Nicola Sturgeon saying getting seats in a GE is a Mandate for Independence..

Hold on - aren’t you the one who is claiming that the GE’s were a proxy for Brexit ? By your logic Sturgeon has every right to ask for a 2nd Indy ref ? Maybe I was wrong about your intelligence ?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Hartings

Not at all - I just don’t see the need to make things up - No Losers Lament at all. Brexit will go ahead. There is no need for you to tell lies, it just makes you look somewhat ignorant and I’m sure you are not.

If you choose to call me a liar feel free..
No skin off my nose..
If you choose not to accept that the 1 + 2 other times the public have been asked to vote on what is basically Brexit (which all politicians promised to respect in 2016 then promptly proceeded to block for as long as they could hoping it would go away) is not 'Technically' thats your choice..
Once again.. No skin off my nose..

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Hartings

Hold on - aren’t you the one who is claiming that the GE’s were a proxy for Brexit ? By your logic Sturgeon has every right to ask for a 2nd Indy ref ? Maybe I was wrong about your intelligence ?

Slight difference old chum..
The Referendum and GE's were UK wide..
Scottish Independence is 'Local' so to speak.. now if she was to make it a nationwide vote for Scots Independence..
Tho' personally I would let her have another go..

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by weavis

WTO would solve all this. Did you read the terms of Johnsons leave? I swear its the same as Mrs May. No wonder Farage is saying its not good.. Because it isnt.

Only difference is 'Backstop' has been changed to 'Border in the Irish Sea' and 4yrs after Brexit N Ireland can vote on whether to maintain EU compliance or leave..
Seeing NI results I think they will stay in.
But hey.. one lives in hope for WTO, Boris holds the reins.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Slight difference old chum..
The Referendum and GE's were UK wide..
Scottish Independence is 'Local' so to speak.. now if she was to make it a nationwide vote for Scots Independence..
Tho' personally I would let her have another go..

Hold on - saying that a Scottish independence vote would have to be all UK is like saying a Brexit vote must be all the EU.

[Hartings]

Originally Posted by boatman61

If you choose to call me a liar feel free..

No skin off my nose..

If you choose not to accept that the 1 + 2 other times the public have been asked to vote on what is basically Brexit (which all politicians promised to respect in 2016 then promptly proceeded to block for as long as they could hoping it would go away) is not 'Technically' thats your choice..

Once again.. No skin off my nose..

There have not been 3 referenda, technically or otherwise - end of.
On more positive issues do Ex-Pats now have categorical assurances from those EU countries in which they prefer to live (although they voted for UK to leave the EU which I still find a bit contradictory) that they will be able to continue living there as before ?

Also does anyone actually know when the new VAT / Schengen rules will apply - will that be 31st Jan 2020 or at the end of the interim arrangement period (currently 31st Dec 2020 I believe) ?

[weavis]

Originally Posted by Hartings

There have not been 3 referenda, technically or otherwise - end of.
On more positive issues do Ex-Pats now have categorical assurances from those EU countries in which they prefer to live (although they voted for UK to leave the EU which I still find a bit contradictory) that they will be able to continue living there as before ?

No.

Also does anyone actually know when the new VAT / Schengen rules will apply - will that be 31st Jan 2020 or at the end of the interim arrangement period (currently 31st Dec 2020 I believe) ?

Not set in stone.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by weavis

The standard rate of VAT in the UK is 20%, so the government could reduce it by up to 5% today if it wanted.

5% off the price of a car or yacht would do nicely do we make yachts anymore? lets say canal boats then.

Pete

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Hold on - saying that a Scottish independence vote would have to be all UK is like saying a Brexit vote must be all the EU.

actually to be truly fair the vote would have to be international,during the highland clearances..and other tory pogroms hundreds of thousands of scottish were dispossesed around the world,surely they should have a voice as well for their ancestral homeland.
we managed to create the state of isreal from the mess the tory party made of the world after the ottomans,so why not scotland as well

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Pete7

5% off the price of a car or yacht would do nicely do we make yachts anymore? lets say canal boats then.

Pete

there are a couple of skilled polish guys i know that could probably build you one very quickly tax free

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Hold on - saying that a Scottish independence vote would have to be all UK is like saying a Brexit vote must be all the EU.

I did not say it would Have to be UK wide..
I was saying that the logic of a GE giving a mandate for Independence for Scotland is not valid.. they were voting for MPs not Independence.
I have nothing against them having another Referendum, I don't think she would win it.. its bigger than voting for your local MP and more complex.
They would have hard borders all round, EU membership would have to meet EU terms which they would struggle to meet.. could take years.
A new currency, as they could not keep the GBP so likely the Scottish Pound would struggle internationally.
Sturgeon should give it a go..