US / Canada border restrictions predictions...

[LakeSuperior]

Originally Posted by taxwizz

It's pressure from the wealthy health insurance companies and their super wealthy owners.

I believe that the USA is the only one of the G8 countries without universal, free, public health care.

Seems like the USA spends about 3 times more than Canada on defense as a function of GDP so Canada can afford national health care.

And why do Canadians pour over the border to get US health care, re. Bellingham, WA.

We could go on here for 1000 posts...

[nwdiver]

Originally Posted by pointbob

Sorry for new question but I cannot seem to get a definitive answer.

I'm a Canadian Vancouver BC - my wife and I want to tandem kayak to camp on one of the San Juan isles (USA). We have friends and family there.

Are we allowed to kayak to the US? If so what are the procedures.

THANKS

The border is closed to non essential travel, no you can’t travel by boat to the US......

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by pointbob

Sorry for new question but I cannot seem to get a definitive answer.

I'm a Canadian Vancouver BC - my wife and I want to tandem kayak to camp on one of the San Juan isles (USA). We have friends and family there.

Are we allowed to kayak to the US? If so what are the procedures.

THANKS

Border is closed to all but essential purpose travel.

As to Americans in the State of Washington, Governor Islay's emergency order apply. Stay Home, Stay Health continue to applies with specific Phased stages of easings. Phase 2 is in status in the San Juan county. The pandemic is long ways from being over.

"So what changes now that San Juan County is officially in Phase 2 of the Governor's Safe Start Plan. Wearing masks in public places is now required, hairstylists and barbers can begin offering some long-overdue haircuts, people can meet up with five people per week, non-essential travel in proximity of your home is allowed, dining and retail businesses can reopen with restrictions. A more complete list is posted in the Four Phases below.

Business activities are not authorized to open until a business is able to meet all safety criteria. Links to guidance documents and details about the four phases are posted below.

While camping with 5 people is allowed under the state's rules, San Juan County Health Officer's order has prohibited camping in the parks on the four ferry-served islands. His version of Phase 2 includes the following modifications. (1) to provide that recreational camping is not allowed at the four ferry-served islands in San Juan County, specifically Lopez Island, Orcas Island, San Juan Island, and Shaw Island; and (2) to provide that overnight recreational moorage at any port or marina in San Juan County is not allowed.

Reference to the specific Phase status for each county in the State of Washington, some are in Phase 1 lockdown, some have progressed to stage 2 to and to stage 3


PHASE 2 - began May 23 in San Juan County - would allow:

High-Risk people:

- Continue to Stay Home, Stay Healthy

Recreation:

- All outdoor recreation involving fewer than five people outside your household (camping, beaches, etc.)

Gatherings:

-Gather with no more than five people outside your household per week

Travel :

Limited non-essential travel within proximity of your home

Business/Employers

- Remaining manufacturing

- New construction

- ln-home/domestic services (nannies, housecleaning, etc.)

- Retail (in-store purchases allowed with restrictions)

- Real estate

- Professional services/office-based businesses (telework remains strongly encouraged)

- Hair and nail salons/Barbers -

- Housecleaning

- Restaurants (no more than 50% capacity, table size no larger than five people)

PHASE 3 would allow:

High-Risk people:

- Continue to Stay Home, Stay Healthy

Recreation:

- Outdoor group rec. sports activities (5-50 people)

- Recreational facilities at no more than 50% capacity (public pools, etc.)

Gatherings:

- Allow gatherings with no more than 50 people

Travel:

- Resume non-essential travel

Businesses/Employers

- Restaurants capacity table size no larger than 10

- Bars at no more than 25% capacity)

- Indoor at no more than 50% capacity

- Movie theaters at no more than 50% capacity

- Government (telework remains strongly encouraged)

- Libraries

- Museums

- All other business activities not yet listed except for and events with greater than 50 people

Phase 4 would allow:

High-Risk people:

- Resume public interactions, with physical distancing

Recreation:

- Resume all recreational activity

Gatherings:

- Allow gatherings with 550 people

Travel:

- Continue non-essential travel

Businesses/Employers:

- Concert venues

- Large sporting events

- Resume unrestricted staffing of worksites, but continue to practice physical distancing and good hygiene

[LargeMarge]

My Canadian friends say, and I quote:
"Living in Canada is the equivalent of living in the apartment above a meth lab."

When will this phase of this Economic Lock-Down be 'lifted'?
The people to ask would be politicians, not medical doctors.

I was a Physical Therapist for decades.
Every doctor and every nurse I know says this Economic Lock-Down is a joke, utterly unrelated to any known medical reality.

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by LargeMarge

I was a Physical Therapist for decades.
Every doctor and every nurse I know says this Economic Lock-Down is a joke, utterly unrelated to any known medical reality.

As long as you and your friends aren't running the medical system in Canada, I'm okay with your views.

[Bloodhound]

Originally Posted by pointbob

Sorry for new question but I cannot seem to get a definitive answer.

I'm a Canadian Vancouver BC - my wife and I want to tandem kayak to camp on one of the San Juan isles (USA). We have friends and family there.

Are we allowed to kayak to the US? If so what are the procedures.

THANKS

If one of you is a US citizen that person can enter the US and bring along their spouse (with marriage certificate as proof of relationship). Vice-versa entering Canada. I don't know that the mode of transport has any bearing. Probably need to check in at nearest border crossing point (road, harbour, etc.). If neither of you is a US citizen your entry into the US is prohibited except for essential travel. Kayaking is NOT essential travel :-)

[tekdiver]

WOW so many have drunk the Kool-aid on here I'm shocked. Thought there would be calmer minds and way better researched.

This is a false flag pandemic to see if every one will fall inline.

I'm happy moved my boat south away from the fear mongers. Cut my Moorage costs in half and now can cruse miles and miles and never leave the states. Thinking Me and my Money might never see Canada again!

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by tekdiver

. Thinking Me and my Money might never see Canada again!

You and your money are welcome to not visit if that's your jam.

[hpeer]

Come on guys, let’s not get “triggered”.

Please?

I’m a dual citizen and can’t figure out who to hate. LOL

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by LakeSuperior

Seems like the USA spends about 3 times more than Canada on defense as a function of GDP so Canada can afford national health care.

And why do Canadians pour over the border to get US health care, re. Bellingham, WA.

We could go on here for 1000 posts...

Not arguing but it's less a matter of who is right and more a matter of perspective.

The amount the US spends on the military in relation to other costs is mind boggling to the average Canadian. No other country in the world can afford to spend that much—so the question that we ask ourselves is, if no one else does it, is it strictly necessary?

As for the cross border stuff, is anyone in the world immune to the logic of "if I can pay form preferential treatment, then why wouldn't I?" The difference is that if we can't pay to cross the border then generally a little patience (ok, sometimes a lot of patience) will see it done for free.

As to what this all has to do with the border reopening, well in the end my money is on one sort of economic pressure or another forcing a reopening, because increasingly I have a hard time believing in an effective or reliable vaccine appearing anytime soon.

[kmacdonald]

Maybe the oil spigot from Canada to the US needs to be closed along with the border closure.

[pagmd]

Problem for BC residents who own boats moored in the three marinas just south of the border haven't been able to visit their boats since March - no maintenance etc. Quite a worry re anodes etc and no opening in the near future.

[Bloodhound]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

You and your money are welcome to not visit if that's your jam.

That sentiment is better left unexpressed.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by Bloodhound

That sentiment is better left unexpressed.

Ummm. Why so more than the original sentiment? Besides its a weird (to me) American quirk to state/think that "their Money" is somehow a major driver in outcomes. Not exactly the first thing a Canadian reaches for.

[Bloodhound]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Ummm. Why so more than the original sentiment? Besides its a weird (to me) American quirk to state/think that "their Money" is somehow a major driver in outcomes. Not exactly the first thing a Canadian reaches for.

Maybe because some tats don't need tits.