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Old 20-03-2020, 09:33   #1
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Trump announces U.S.-Mexico border closure to stem spread of coronavirus

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The U.S.-Mexico border will be closed to nonessential travel to further help stem the spread of the novel coronavirus, President Donald Trump announced Friday.


"As we did with Canada, we're also working with Mexico to implement new rules at our ports of entry to suspend non-essential travel," Trump said. "These new rules and procedures will not impede lawful trade and commerce." Trump said that Mexico is also suspending air travel from Europe.


Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. has taken "two important steps" this week to curb the spread of the virus. He noted the border closure with Canada, announced Wednesday, would go into effect at midnight. He said the closure would last 30 days and reiterated the news Trump shared that the border with Mexico would also close.
"The United States and Mexico have agreed to restrict nonessential travel across our border," Pompeo said.


The State Department on Thursday issued a new travel alert urging Americans not to go abroad under any circumstances and to return home if they are already abroad unless they plan to remain overseas.
Pompeo repeated the Thursday announcement at the Friday briefing. "If you choose to travel internationally, your travel may be disrupted," he said.
There are 118 coronavirus cases currently in Mexico and 14,250 in the U.S, according to Johns Hopkins data.


For tourists, Mexico is the seventh most-visited country around the world, according to Mexico tourism data, and 26 million U.S. travelers visited Mexico from January to August 2019, according to the U.S. National Travel and Tourism Office.



The Mexico-U.S. border has been a prominent and often contentious issue during President Trump's tenure in the Oval Office. During his campaign ahead of the 2016 election, the "build the wall" movement, an effort to build a wall along the border to keep Mexican immigrants from entering the U.S., gained traction among his support base but stoked criticism among his detractors.



As the world works to slow the spread of coronavirus, countries have imposed a variety of travel restrictions, which range from suspending international flights and banning travelers from impacted countries, to requiring citizens or foreign nationals to self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival.
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Currently in Barra de Navidad. Wife has a 100deg temp, and headache
No other symptoms. So far unable to get thru to consul in Guadalajara by phpne. 180 day visa will run out soon. Can't yet fly home; reluctant to sail to other ports, as some have closed, and under circs, not willing to try for San Diego. No testing facilities available. Any suggestions
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Re: Trump announces U.S.-Mexico border closure to stem spread of coronavirus

Take her it a Dr, few of us are and therefore aren’t capable of advising.
I would stick close to medical care if possible until she is better, and whatever happens to you, does.
Having both very sick at sea is a frightening prospect
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Currently in Barra de Navidad. Wife has a 100deg temp, and headache
No other symptoms. So far unable to get thru to consul in Guadalajara by phpne. 180 day visa will run out soon. Can't yet fly home; reluctant to sail to other ports, as some have closed, and under circs, not willing to try for San Diego. No testing facilities available. Any suggestions

I don't recommend either of you going to shore until you know if she is infected with Covid-19. If she is, you could be the cause of an untold number of infections in the region

My roommate at the moment is a Mexican national. He is fluent in both Spanish and English. If you need additional help, please ask. This includes translation.

Are either of you in the group most at risk for serious complications? They include:
  • Older adults
  • People who have serious underlying medical conditions like:
  • Heart disease
  • Diabetes
  • Lung disease
Additional variables which could put you at risk of serious complications can be found here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...lications.html


If she does have Covid-19 then you will probably also get it. If neither of you are at risk for serious complications then you might just want to hunker down and quarantine yourselves to reduce the chances of spread.


If you two have reason to believe that you may be at risk of serious complication, then you could try a number of options:
  • You can call Grand Bay Isla Navidad Resort to consult with them. They'll most likely be coming up with resources for their guests. Their number is +52 314 331 0500
  • You should also consider contacting local doctors to consult with them over the phone before going to land.
  • Continue attempting to reach the US Consulates for consultation
  • Get into contact with friends or family back home that may be able to help you consult with a domestic doctor about your current symptoms and an action plan
If you're American then you should be able to get back home somehow, but the first priority is containment. If you have paper filter masks, put one on her (not you). Drinks lots of water, it washes the virus into your stomach where acids will eliminate it. Wash your hands often and sanitize surfaces, ideally with an alcohol content of at least 60%


The priority should be avoiding spread if at all possible. Again, I strongly recommend not going to shore unless there is dire need, and even then not until developing a plan that will reduce the possibility of spread.
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Re: Trump announces U.S.-Mexico border closure to stem spread of coronavirus

From https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...atients-2020-2


Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control has suggested that about 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. About 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill.
Here's how symptoms typically progress among patients:
  • Day 1: Patients run a fever. They may also experience fatigue, muscle pain, and a dry cough. A small minority may have had diarrhea or nausea one or two days before.
  • Day 5: Patients may have difficulty breathing, especially if they are older or have a preexisting health condition.
  • Day 7: This is how long it takes, on average, before patients are admitted to a hospital, the Wuhan University study found.
  • Day 8: At this point, patients with severe cases develop acute respiratory distress syndrome, an illness that occurs when fluid builds up the lungs. ARDS is often fatal.
  • Day 10: If patients have worsening symptoms, this is the time in the disease's progression when they're most likely to be admitted to the ICU. These patients probably have more abdominal pain and appetite loss than patients with milder cases. Only a small fraction die: The fatality rate has hovered at about 3%.
  • Day 17: On average, people who recover from the virus are discharged from the hospital after 2 1/2 weeks.
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My advice first and foremost would be do not take to sea. Prepare your vessel to be at anchor for a time, possibly unattended. Even if she doesn't have it, everything is getting shut. Plan to spend at minimum the rest of March where you are. It will most likely be longer though, given the trajectory of this. You're in a good position to be evacuated or seek medical help.


If you need to be evacuated, consider leaving your vessel at Marina Puerto de la Navidad if you're not already there.
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Re: Trump announces U.S.-Mexico border closure to stem spread of coronavirus

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Currently in Barra de Navidad. Wife has a 100deg temp, and headache
No other symptoms. So far unable to get thru to consul in Guadalajara by phpne. 180 day visa will run out soon. Can't yet fly home; reluctant to sail to other ports, as some have closed, and under circs, not willing to try for San Diego. No testing facilities available. Any suggestions
What boat are you? We just left Barra and working our way north.
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Currently in Barra de Navidad. Wife has a 100deg temp, and headache
No other symptoms. So far unable to get thru to consul in Guadalajara by phpne. 180 day visa will run out soon. Can't yet fly home; reluctant to sail to other ports, as some have closed, and under circs, not willing to try for San Diego. No testing facilities available. Any suggestions
1) Don't forget that people get sick from non-corona issues; statistically she most likely doesn't have corona, but for infection control measures it's most reasonable to assume she does. But you don't want to go off-shore if she's having a gallbladder issue or some other thing 'just because you think she needs quarantine.' That could be a very bad mistake, so...
2) Most prudent to not travel if medical care near by
3) Contact medical services by radio/phone before heading ashore unless situation dire
4) Assuming no weak heart condition and non-diabetic encourage sips of liquid around the clock while awake; goal=need to pee every hour or two; dehydration=harder/impossible to accept liquids by mouth (at which time IV hydration/medical care would be mandatory)

DIY oral rehydration fluid for sips:
1 liter water
ĺ teaspoon table salt
2 Tablespoons sugar

For fever, if dehydration is at all a concern: consider +/- paracetamol (AKA tylenol AKA acetaminophen) up to 500mg every 3 hours (or 1000mg every 6 hours)...maximum 4,000mg a day; reducing temperature may reduce water loss due to ~sweat/respiration. If can't take oral paracetamol tablet can be placed rectally.

The above is only to maintain hydration status until local medical evaluation (by phone if possible) is made.
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If it is Covid19, you are the one who poses the biggest threat for infecting others as you are probably already infected.. Heard an interview with someone who caught the virus from her husband, despite banning him to the basement on the first sign of sickness. Before she had any symptoms went to lunch with 4 friends, did not share food or other obvious ways to pass the virus yet all the other women at the lunch caught the virus. Apparently Covid is very infectious before symptoms show up. Unless you really want to get even for a bout of Montezuma's Revenge, don't go ashore unless either of your conditions worsens to the point that breathing is a difficulty. Breathing issues normally occur about 5 days after infection becomes obvious. Apparently vomiting and diarrhea in the initial period is common in less than half those infected before other symptoms appear
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Currently in Barra de Navidad. Wife has a 100deg temp, and headache
No other symptoms. So far unable to get thru to consul in Guadalajara by phpne. 180 day visa will run out soon. Can't yet fly home; reluctant to sail to other ports, as some have closed, and under circs, not willing to try for San Diego. No testing facilities available. Any suggestions


First off, be considerate to others in case it is the Coronavirus and donít spread it, but it probably isnít. Donít worry about your visa. Itís a minor fine if you over stay, and with whatís going on probably nothing would be said anyway. Thereís actually more Illegal Americans in Mexico than there are illegal Mexicans in the US.

We are also in Mexico, and contemplating what to do. Weíll be in back in Barra in a week or so. Iíd think Manzanillo would have adequate medical facilities if it should come to that. Iíd be concerned about where to hunker down for hurricane season, and Barra is a good place for that.
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Thx gor all the helpful replies. To be sure, we are fine on the boat at anchor, have access to supplies delivered, if and when needed. We should be perfectly quarantined as a physical matter.
My major concern is finding a local Dr, competant in the relevant fields. So far, have had no advice from anyone on that issue.
The second issue is, we have about 50 days left of our 180 on the visa, and no current ability to get to the border to renew. I have repeatedly called the consulate in Guadalajara but gotten only a busy signal. Understandable in this crisis.
If anyone can recommend a local Dr., or has any input on a possible visa extension without having to usepublic transport, We would appreciate knowing.
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Currently in Barra de Navidad. Wife has a 100deg temp, and headache
No other symptoms. So far unable to get thru to consul in Guadalajara by phpne. 180 day visa will run out soon. Can't yet fly home; reluctant to sail to other ports, as some have closed, and under circs, not willing to try for San Diego. No testing facilities available. Any suggestions
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I just got a doctorís name from the hotel.
Try Dr. Pedro Crespo in Barra
315-355-8082

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Re: Trump announces U.S.-Mexico border closure to stem spread of coronavirus

At this time I wouldnít be pointing any fingers at this being a man made disease.
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Thereís actually more Illegal Americans in Mexico than there are illegal Mexicans in the US.



I don't believe that.
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You are calling the USA Consulate? I doubt there is much they can so for you. They cant extend your Visa. Why not contact Mexican immigration?
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