The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

need to pay to read.

If you're not used to buying newspapers with money, or if you're (like me) just another cruiser with the seat out of his pants, then look at the original research paper on which the NYT bases its story -

Pilishvili et al, 'Effectiveness of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine among US Health Personnel', in New England Journal of Medicine:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2106599

The NYT story starts with:

"It was a constant refrain from federal health officials after the coronavirus vaccines were authorized: These shots are all equally effective.

"That has turned out not to be true.

"Roughly 221 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine have been dispensed thus far in the United States, compared with about 150 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine. In a half-dozen studies published over the past few weeks, Moderna’s vaccine appeared to be more protective than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in the months after immunization.

"The latest such study, published on Wednesday in The New England Journal of Medicine, evaluated the real-world effectiveness of the vaccines at preventing symptomatic illness in about 5,000 health care workers in 25 states. The study found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had an effectiveness of 88.8 percent, compared with Moderna’s 96.3 percent."

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by Alan Mighty

If you're not used to buying newspapers with money, or if you're (like me) just another cruiser with the seat out of his pants, then look at the original research paper on which the NYT bases its story -

Pilishvili et al, 'Effectiveness of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine among US Health Personnel', in New England Journal of Medicine:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2106599

The NYT story starts with:

"It was a constant refrain from federal health officials after the coronavirus vaccines were authorized: These shots are all equally effective.

"That has turned out not to be true.

"Roughly 221 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine have been dispensed thus far in the United States, compared with about 150 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine. In a half-dozen studies published over the past few weeks, Moderna’s vaccine appeared to be more protective than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in the months after immunization.

"The latest such study, published on Wednesday in The New England Journal of Medicine, evaluated the real-world effectiveness of the vaccines at preventing symptomatic illness in about 5,000 health care workers in 25 states. The study found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had an effectiveness of 88.8 percent, compared with Moderna’s 96.3 percent."

Thanks.

yes i am a cruiser on a budget.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

BS, All they had to do is explain why and instruct the news organizations to only release the footage to free to air. With the time lag it's then useless to the demonstrators.

DD does not want the public to know how large the demonstrations are.

The news blackout by the police has now been challenged in the Federal Court and it will be interesting to see how that comes out.

Shutting down some Media is the first way to bring us much closer to China.

If you can not see it , well it is not happening.

Beijing is advising DD an an hourly basis.

[sailingabe41ds]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Certainly arriving into a country against clear and well stated entry conditions suggests idiots abound

Meanwhile is the US where 200,000 illegals are crossing our border monthly without vaccines, 30% testing positive for Covid, spreading measles, TB. Funny, that most folks on this site who support mandates from the government and restriction on gatherings and lockdowns and from coming into their countries unvaccinated are the first to call those in the US racist and mean spirited if we dare want to build a wall or prevent this mass migration.

Abe

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by sailingabe41ds

Meanwhile is the US where 200,000 illegals are crossing our border monthly without vaccines, 30% testing positive for Covid, spreading measles, TB. Funny, that most folks on this site who support mandates from the government and restriction on gatherings and lockdowns and from coming into their countries unvaccinated are the first to call those in the US racist and mean spirited if we dare want to build a wall or prevent this mass migration.

Abe

No i dont think many people would critizise you for not wanting those illegals , it is just a fact of life that you share such a **** long border which is really not a border at all.
Look how easy it is for Australia , we just stop the flights and if a foul really want to come by boat , well he will end up in a detention center on some deserted island. Easy for Australia , difficult for you.

[jimbunyard]

Just want to be on the record to show that not all Americans think of people facing conditions difficult enough for them to feel they have to leave their country as "disease spreading illegals", (as if an individual can be 'illegal', [the repulsion should be wholly reserved for people who make such accusations]) and that such racist, unsupported rhetoric has no basis in fact.

As is well documented in numerous studies dating back many years. Here's a recent one, which would bear reading by many active in this thread, and on this forum.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...114-7/fulltext

I hope the inclusion of the word 'American' doesn't preclude this from the thread, as it seems apparent that some Aussies share in this global affliction...

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

Just want to be on the record to show that not all Americans think of people facing conditions difficult enough for them to feel they have to leave their country as "disease spreading illegals", (as if an individual can be 'illegal', [the repulsion should be wholly reserved for people who make such accusations]) and that such racist, unsupported rhetoric has no basis in fact.

As is well documented in numerous studies dating back many years. Here's a recent one, which would bear reading by many active in this thread, and on this forum.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...114-7/fulltext

I hope the inclusion of the word 'American' doesn't preclude this from the thread, as it seems apparent that some Aussies share in this global affliction...

Of course an individual can be an Illegal , it refers to our current systems and documentation which is required to enter a country. Our government talks about illegal arrivals all the time so that is totally acceptable. Nothing to do whether you are american or australian or european. What about the illegal migration about the Med in europe?

In future you will also have Illegal travelers that have not been vaxed , just an addition to our requirements.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by Alan Mighty

If you're not used to buying newspapers with money, or if you're (like me) just another cruiser with the seat out of his pants, then look at the original research paper on which the NYT bases its story -

Pilishvili et al, 'Effectiveness of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine among US Health Personnel', in New England Journal of Medicine:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2106599

The NYT story starts with:

"It was a constant refrain from federal health officials after the coronavirus vaccines were authorized: These shots are all equally effective.

"That has turned out not to be true.

"Roughly 221 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine have been dispensed thus far in the United States, compared with about 150 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine. In a half-dozen studies published over the past few weeks, Moderna’s vaccine appeared to be more protective than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in the months after immunization.

"The latest such study, published on Wednesday in The New England Journal of Medicine, evaluated the real-world effectiveness of the vaccines at preventing symptomatic illness in about 5,000 health care workers in 25 states. The study found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had an effectiveness of 88.8 percent, compared with Moderna’s 96.3 percent."

Thanks. Very interesting study.

[GordMay]

Police tactics questioned as relative calm returns to Melbourne

“... There was relative calm in Melbourne on Thursday after three days of anti-lockdown protests that led to violent confrontations with police in Australia’s second biggest city, with officers out in force on the streets of the city centre...

... More than 200 people were arrested on Wednesday with police using pepper spray, foam baton rounds and rubber ball grenades to disperse the crowds including at the Shrine of Remembrance, the city’s war memorial.

Unions and police have blamed far-right groups for stirring unrest, but police tactics have also raised concern ...”

More ➥ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...rd-covid-cases

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Police tactics questioned as relative calm returns to Melbourne

“... There was relative calm in Melbourne on Thursday after three days of anti-lockdown protests that led to violent confrontations with police in Australia’s second biggest city, with officers out in force on the streets of the city centre...

... More than 200 people were arrested on Wednesday with police using pepper spray, foam baton rounds and rubber ball grenades to disperse the crowds including at the Shrine of Remembrance, the city’s war memorial.

Unions and police have blamed far-right groups for stirring unrest, but police tactics have also raised concern ...”

More ➥ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...rd-covid-cases

Its ratbags of assorted complexion

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...22-p58tsq.html
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Nobody down here gives a monkey's banana about these people - in fact just the opposite
Cupla hundred fokwits in the midst of a population of about 6 million

[Group9]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Its ratbags of assorted complexion

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...22-p58tsq.html
.
Nobody down here gives a monkey's banana about these people - in fact just the opposite
Cupla hundred fokwits in the midst of a population of about 6 million

I think that’s probably about what King George said when informed of The Boston Tea Party.

[El Pinguino]

And do not get me started on their behaviour today... a damn good thrashing would not be enough for this scum. Abusing and spitting on health care staff? Class act but I guess every society has its detrius.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...23-p58u2p.html

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Group9

I think that’s probably about what King George said when informed of The Boston Tea Party.

Feel free to be my guest and go and fok your hat.
(Anyone who as read Newby's 'Last Grain Race ' will know that is acceptable language - its Swedish)

[Van Der Beek]

/Off topic

Originally Posted by Group9

I think that’s probably about what King George said when informed of The Boston Tea Party.

Ah yes, that's when his fellow English (colonials) blew their wig over a 3% tea tax (Tea is very important to the English) and went into an armed revolution.

Over Tea.



/Back to topic

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Of course an individual can be an Illegal , it refers to our current systems and documentation which is required to enter a country. Our government talks about illegal arrivals all the time so that is totally acceptable. Nothing to do whether you are american or australian or european. What about the illegal migration about the Med in europe?

In future you will also have Illegal travelers that have not been vaxed , just an addition to our requirements.

An individual (or a group, for that matter) cannot 'be' an illegal; they can commit an illegal act which is punishable (or correctable) by law.

Words have meanings and consequences, and are often used to take advantage of both the gullible and the disadvantaged.

Using the term 'illegal' in such context is inflammatory, usually racist and displays an often malicious intent and ignorance that is both appalling and repulsive.

The use, or misuse, of the term by governments carries it's own set of problems, as it encourages the almost redundant assumption of guilt, especially by those, accurately or not, who've learned to associate such fearmongering with blanket guilt. Again, if a government decides that someone is 'illegal' because they've nowhere else to live, what use is that government?

And the (re)adoption of that attitude leaves us where? I'd say right back to 1990's Rawanda, or 1930's Central Europe, or 19th century Australia, or the 'Americas' circa the 16th through the 19th centuries, or any number of similar eras down through 'human' history...