The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Its AZ you need.. longer lasting than that US crap.

Source?

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by dannc

From an outsider looking at the EU vs AZ debate, it seemed to really be angst with the EU against the UK, i.e., Brexit related. With all of the yelling and screaming the EU was doing, and the announced lawsuit against AZ, I figured the EU made their noise to satisfy their stake holders, and would wait for time to pass, as would the lawsuit.

Read somewhere this week that the lawsuit between AZ and the EU has been settled. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise. The whole AZ vs EU angst was just noise but damaging noise never the less.



But can the damage to AZ be repaired? Will people outside of the developed world want a vaccine that the EU said has problems? Will people trust a vaccine that the EU has surpluses of because Europeans won't/haven't taken the vaccine?

Later,
Dan

Little angst in EU over Brexit mostly “ yawn “ lots of angst and typical blame Europe amongst little englanders and the murdoch media. The EU largely doesn’t give too hoots about Brexit. the U.K. is still ripping itself apart.

The issue with the EU and AZ largely was down to a poor contract but equally the worldwide restrictions on AZ took the “ gloss” of that vaccine and it now looks like a back runner / third world option

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Little angst in EU over Brexit mostly “ yawn “ lots of angst and typical blame Europe amongst little englanders and the murdoch media. The EU largely doesn’t give too hoots about Brexit. the U.K. is still ripping itself apart.

The issue with the EU and AZ largely was down to a poor contract but equally the worldwide restrictions on AZ took the “ gloss” of that vaccine and it now looks like a back runner / third world option

Sez de Irish...

For Gord...

So overall, Pfizer and AZ vaccines show similar numbers for covid-19 protection, but there are signs that the protection from the oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine are more long-lasting and effective across multiple strains than the Pfizer one. This might possibly be because of the better T-cell response from the AZ vaccine.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7f9c51810816d3

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Sez de Irish...



For Gord...



So overall, Pfizer and AZ vaccines show similar numbers for covid-19 protection, but there are signs that the protection from the oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine are more long-lasting and effective across multiple strains than the Pfizer one. This might possibly be because of the better T-cell response from the AZ vaccine.



https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7f9c51810816d3

The Irish are in the biggest flap over Brexit. It has real consequences for us. It had little consequence for most of the eu but at least we don’t blame our own failings on the Eu ,

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

The Irish are in the biggest flap over Brexit. It has real consequences for us. It had little consequence for most of the eu but at least we don’t blame our own failings on the Eu ,

No.. You blame it on us..

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Its AZ you need.. longer lasting than that US crap.
For Gord
... https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7f9c51810816d3

From your News.com.au article:

“... Pfizer had “greater initial effectiveness” but saw “faster declines in protection against high viral burden and symptomatic infection”, when looking at a period of several months after full vaccination, although rates remained low for both jabs.
Results suggest that after four to five months effectiveness of these two vaccines would be similar ...”

But, here’s a more learned (& accurate) report on the Oxford University study:
"COVID vaccines protect against Delta, but their effectiveness wanes"
Massive UK study of COVID-19 cases shows that people who are jabbed have good immunity at first, but quickly become more vulnerable to the fast-spreading Delta variant.
➥ https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8

And the study’s Pre-Print, itself:
“Impact of Delta on viral burden and vaccine effectiveness against new SARS-CoV-2 infections in the UK “ ~ by Koen B. Pouwels et al
➥ https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coron...ve20210816.pdf

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by GordMay

From your News.com.au article:

“... Pfizer had “greater initial effectiveness” but saw “faster declines in protection against high viral burden and symptomatic infection”, when looking at a period of several months after full vaccination, although rates remained low for both jabs.
Results suggest that after four to five months effectiveness of these two vaccines would be similar ...”

But, here’s a more learned (& accurate) report on the Oxford University study:
"COVID vaccines protect against Delta, but their effectiveness wanes"
Massive UK study of COVID-19 cases shows that people who are jabbed have good immunity at first, but quickly become more vulnerable to the fast-spreading Delta variant.
➥ https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8

And the study’s Pre-Print, itself:
“Impact of Delta on viral burden and vaccine effectiveness against new SARS-CoV-2 infections in the UK “ ~ by Koen B. Pouwels et al
➥ https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coron...ve20210816.pdf

Still reckon Pfizer's crap..
Oh.. and Daddies is the best Sauce...

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Little angst in EU over Brexit mostly “ yawn “ lots of angst and typical blame Europe amongst little englanders and the murdoch media. The EU largely doesn’t give too hoots about Brexit. the U.K. is still ripping itself apart.

The issue with the EU and AZ largely was down to a poor contract but equally the worldwide restrictions on AZ took the “ gloss” of that vaccine and it now looks like a back runner / third world option

And the next thing one hears hot off the inet is that the virus did not come out of China at all. Rupert cooked it up in the kitchen of his apartment overlooking Central Park and let it loose to provide copy for his publishing empire.

Baaaard Rupert.

And the nation which inhabits a little island off the coast of Europe and which created a collection of large and small but most persistently great democracies in various places around the world will be again free of the massive, stultifying, anti democratic, Brussels, bureaucracy and free to return to it's innovative ways.

[El Pinguino]

Hesitancy in Australia?
There is no hesitancy amongst the over 70's. This group includes the war babies and first edition baby boomers born before 1950. Their early childhoods were pretty tough, outside dunnies , walk to school and back - uphill both ways - and accept what was offered and be thankful for it.
Then between 1950 and 1960 along came the second wave of boomers. Everything handed to them on a plate and the right to be choosy if you didn't like what was on the plate.

That can be seen in today's graph from The Age. The uptake of the vaccine in the 60 to 69 group was lagging both the over 70s and the under 60s simply because they don't like red lollies - they want green lollies. That shows in the double vaxxed figures - single shot shows that some are now seeing sense.

Softies......

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Its AZ you need.. longer lasting than that US crap..

Scary you dont even know where Pfizer was developed so keep on taking the AZ that for sure comes from thge country that gave the world the Mad cow desease.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Hesitancy in Australia?
There is no hesitancy amongst the over 70's. This group includes the war babies and first edition baby boomers born before 1950. Their early childhoods were pretty tough, outside dunnies , walk to school and back - uphill both ways - and accept what was offered and be thankful for it.
Then between 1950 and 1960 along came the second wave of boomers. Everything handed to them on a plate and the right to be choosy if you didn't like what was on the plate.

That can be seen in today's graph from The Age. The uptake of the vaccine in the 60 to 69 group was lagging both the over 70s and the under 60s simply because they don't like red lollies - they want green lollies. That shows in the double vaxxed figures - single shot shows that some are now seeing sense.

Softies......

You are really have some anti over 60th feelings. Yes we did grow up in a world where choices were given to people and we believe that we want the option to choose. If you are so happy with mandated things , why do you live in OZ or na western country? There are still one way tickets to North korea or if you prefer a slightly higher standard to China available. I myself do not want to live in a country where citizens get told what to do , i think that is fundamentally the difference between democracies and dictatorships. You are in a good situation , you can choose to go to North korea , the guy in North korea can not. Safe trip.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

The Irish are in the biggest flap over Brexit. It has real consequences for us. It had little consequence for most of the eu but at least we don’t blame our own failings on the Eu ,

You are onbe of a very few people that obviously understand what Brexit really means and how terrible it is for Englkand. Thge Irish will cop it for sure , thanks to your english narrow minded cousins.

You are very correct , in the EU the feeling is mainly a Yawn and a smile because the EU is a powerhouse , england will be left in the rain without an umbrella. Brexit was in fact a decission of the older people but it also has shown that we have lost the understanding of what duties we have in a democracy and may be it will show the young people that they need to care and need to vote even yes it can be incoinvenient. The younger people in england will suffer.
I dont live there anymore but i still hold an EU passport and that piece of paper is something worse.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

You are really have some anti over 60th feelings. Yes we did grow up in a world where choices were given to people and we believe that we want the option to choose. If you are so happy with mandated things , why do you live in OZ or na western country? There are still one way tickets to North korea or if you prefer a slightly higher standard to China available. I myself do not want to live in a country where citizens get told what to do , i think that is fundamentally the difference between democracies and dictatorships. You are in a good situation , you can choose to go to North korea , the guy in North korea can not. Safe trip.

I have no 'anti over 60 feelings' at all. The 'under 70s' on the other hand....

So rather than protecting yourself right now with AZ - a perfectly good vaccine with a vanishingly small degree of risk for people of your age - you would rather wait in line to take a Phizzer vaccine from a pregnant woman and leave her exposed - if she contracts Covid - to
'A one in three chance they will require oxygen therapy
A one in seven chance they will be admitted to intensive care
A one in two an emergency delivery of the baby will be necessary
A one in two chance of a caesarian
A one in four chance the baby will be born prematurely.
Dr Hodges said they were also twice as likely to have a stillborn. '
( I posted the link to that yesterday but in case you missed it https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...1d44b2c59d1bb8 )

Nice little bit off entitlement you are showing off there, Dingo.

PS I see there was an outbreak in the PRQ yesterday. Lets hope that doesn't get legs.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I have no 'anti over 60 feelings' at all. The 'under 70s' on the other hand....

So rather than protecting yourself right now with AZ - a perfectly good vaccine with a vanishingly small degree of risk for people of your age - you would rather wait in line to take a Phizzer vaccine from a pregnant woman and leave her exposed - if she contracts Covid - to
'A one in three chance they will require oxygen therapy
A one in seven chance they will be admitted to intensive care
A one in two an emergency delivery of the baby will be necessary
A one in two chance of a caesarian
A one in four chance the baby will be born prematurely.
Dr Hodges said they were also twice as likely to have a stillborn. '
( I posted the link to that yesterday but in case you missed it https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...1d44b2c59d1bb8 )

Nice little bit off entitlement you are showing off there, Dingo.

PS I see there was an outbreak in the PRQ yesterday. Lets hope that doesn't get legs.

So AZ is not safe for a pregnant woman??????? Well if not then it is not safe for over 60th or is the reason that over 60th cost money and a new child is a potential Tax payer???

Well now Moderna is coming too , may be you can allow me to get Pfizer????

Time is the issue , QLD will get cases of course but when is the question and time is of the essense so keep QLD closed and we will get the time.

[GILow]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I could not care less about 'the hesitant' in groups that are already well covered.

Our governments are chasing a moving target when it comes to priorities. First up it was the old with health issues and 'front line workers' , then the old in general, then migrant populations where english is not their first language living in large households, then it was indiginous communities.
Now it is pregnant women.
Just to show I am an equal opportunity linker - a link to Sky.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...1d44b2c59d1bb8

Old people being precious about which vax they get?

I really truly honestly could not give a rat's about them.

We have about 90% of the aged with at least one shot , many of the remainder probably live in Nimbin, the rest are - how you say - neither here nor there in the scheme of things.

There are more important things to worry about.

Although I totally agree with your sentiment here, for my own selfish reasons I’m in favour of any pandering the various states do to encourage people over the line.

It does look like unhindered interstate travel is going to wait on vaccine take-up rates, and as someone currently very slowly enroute interstate I’m living on a diet of fingernails that an outbreak in Tassie won’t scuttle my travel plans.