The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Ivermectin has been shown to kill the virus in a petri dish when administered at 8 times the recommended dose - for a Clydesdale.

Gotta be true - I saw it on Sky - and elsewhere

https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/06-...-and-covid-19/

A great response.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

We have an acquaintance, over 70, who developed severe (according to him) blood clots about 4 days after the A-Z injection, here in Tassie. He has not bee allowed a 2nd injection (due to the clots), but not allowed Pfizer, either. We know Pfizer is available, but it has been denied, due to his age. It is pure bureaucratic mess-up at its finest. He's been working on getting his 2nd jab for 2 months now, since he was turned away. Pretty frustrating.

Talk about frustrating, when you have a Prime Minister who thinks it's okay to travel to Sydney for Fathers Day, while other citizens are not, you have a leadership problem at the highest level. Whatever happened to setting a good example???

Ann

But it gets better. The general public only found out because he took an RAAF - 25 minute - flight whch showed up on flight radar and led to questions being asked.
If he had take the 'C1' limo it was a three hour freeway run and no-one would have been any the wiser.
Shades of Bronwyn Bishop's helicopter ride.
Then he posted that pic on Instagram(?) 'me with Jen and the kids earlier this year'.
He isn't very bright.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

We have an acquaintance, over 70, who developed severe (according to him) blood clots about 4 days after the A-Z injection, here in Tassie. He has not bee allowed a 2nd injection (due to the clots), but not allowed Pfizer, either. We know Pfizer is available, but it has been denied, due to his age. It is pure bureaucratic mess-up at its finest. He's been working on getting his 2nd jab for 2 months now, since he was turned away. Pretty frustrating.

Talk about frustrating, when you have a Prime Minister who thinks it's okay to travel to Sydney for Fathers Day, while other citizens are not, you have a leadership problem at the highest level. Whatever happened to setting a good example???

Ann

It wasn't Gary by any chance was it?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...neca/100252574
Some worthwhile reading on that link.

[Seaworthy Lass]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

……We have rather a lot of people still needing to get vaccinated in the younger age groups - we still do not have enough vaccine.

The risk of a young person getting seriously ill and possibly dying upon contracting Covid if unvaccinated is far greater than the risk of an old person getting a blood clot or any other complications from AZ.

Sure, but so far in Australia 17 people aged under the age of 50 have died out of 49350 cases detected to be infected by SARS-CoV-2.
For those aged over 60s it has been 1017 deaths out of 9221 cases detected.

So if you can vaccinate an extra 9 people over the age of 60, statistically one life would be saved.
2903 people under the age of 50 would have to be vaccinated to save one life.

Or put another way, if you could vaccinate 2903 people over 60 then 320 lives would be saved as opposed to one life saved if the same number of under 50’s were vaccinated instead.

So who do you prioritise for vaccination?

Data is here:
https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...and-statistics

SWL

[dannc]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

And I'm above 60N

Reading this, I'm glad I listened to my doc.

Didn't stop me from getting a really bad case of covid in January, 2020. THAT was the worst illness I ever had, and the worst thing about it was the cough. I thought I would cough my lungs out. I didn't sleep for at least a week until my doctor gave me some narcotic cough syrup. Have you ever been a WEEK without sleep? I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

That is nothing. Seriously. Try having Whooping Cough. It is called the 100 Day Cough for a reason. Actually, DON'T try Whooping Cough. It is an a.. whipping. Actually, I would rather have an a... whipping. It would be faster, easier, and far less painful that Whooping Cough. I was sick with the cough for a couple of months. Not sure it lasted 100 days but if felt like forever.

Limited sleep due to the cough that just racked your body. Painful breathing. You don't want to do anything to increase your breathing. Moving HURTS. Breathing HURTS. Coughing HURTS. LAUGHING HURTS. LIVING HURTS.

Parents that do not vaccinate their children for Whooping Cough need to be beaten until they see sense. Beaten in the chest and back randomly, many times a minute, for every hour of the day, 24 hours a day, for months. After a few hours they will vaccinate their kids.

Vitamin D likely kept you out of the hospital, or worse. What I have read about patients suffering with this plague is NOT good. Tis a horrible way to die.

The only way I could have gotten Whooping Cough, in spite of dozens of vaccinations, including with a few years of catching it, was low levels of vitamin D. I think if I had had the right amount of vitamin D I would not have gotten Whooping Cough.

Later,
Dan

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

Sure, but so far in Australia 17 people aged under the age of 50 have died out of 49350 cases detected to be infected by SARS-CoV-2.
For those aged over 60s it has been 1017 deaths out of 9221 cases detected.

So if you can vaccinate an extra 9 people over the age of 60, statistically one life would be saved.
2903 people under the age of 50 would have to be vaccinated to save one life.

Or put another way, if you could vaccinate 2903 people over 60 then 320 lives would be saved as opposed to one life saved if the same number of under 50’s were vaccinated instead.

So who do you prioritise for vaccination?

Data is here:
https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...and-statistics

SWL

The elder have been prioritised since February - this why 90% have had at least a single shot.
How many elderly lives have been saved by getting AZ - how many have been lost due to side effects?
How many elderly would have had myocarditis and pericarditis if given Phizer? How many of them would have died?

'The EMA analysis of cases found:
Pfizer-BioNTech - 145 cases of myocarditis and 138 cases of pericarditis out of 177m doses given
Moderna - 19 case of myocarditis and 19 cases of pericarditis out of 20 million doses given
Five people died. The review said they were all either elderly or had other health conditions.'
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637

Risk to the left uf us, risk to the right, oh dear what to do.

You could do what Ambler has done.

[dannc]

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

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I am reserving judgement regarding ivermectin except to say it looks promising.

As am I and as all should.

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

There have simply not been any results of good human trials published for COVID-19 treatment (well designed, large groups, double blind with a placebo group, peer reviewed and accepted by a reputable journal). This is the gold standard. Some really poorly designed and executed studies are conducted in general and not a lot of weight can be put on these.

Two of the studies belittling Ivermictin used huge doses during the study. Too many numbers in my head, and this is an order of magnitude issue, anyway, the recommended dosage for Ivermictin is 400-600 mg and the studies were giving 4,500-9,800 mg. That seems really out there but maybe they had good reason to try those dosages.

I was watching one of Dr. John Campbell's videos, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9...xg3QIBupFtBDxg, and he mentioned the above in passing.

It might have been in a video regarding Ivermectin but I don't remember.

He has done quite a few videos on Ivermectin and the latest is this one,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk

which discusses a meta study, https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx,.

Better studies are needed but there is good data saying that Ivermectin decreases virus deaths.

From the study,

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin.

The GRADE system they used to measure study results is very low, low, moderate and high levels of certainty.

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

Research such as this is expensive and very heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry, but there is no money in the use of old cheap drugs. Hence no decent studies.

Exactly. In the video above, Campbell mentions an proposal to study Ivermectin but someone has to fund it. Given that the drug is a generic at this point, there is no money to be made for a drug company to investigate the usefulness of the drug. The studies in the meta study, were self funded, for the most part by, doctors.

From the study linked above,

Currently, ivermectin is commercially available and affordable in many countries globally.6 A 2018 application for ivermectin use for scabies gives a direct cost of $2.90 for 100 12-mg tablets.22 A recent estimate from Bangladesh23 reports a cost of US$0.60—US$1.80 for a 5-day course of ivermectin.

No drug company is going to fund a study because they simply can't make money of the drug. This is something that a government should be doing...

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

The media have been skewing perceptions with images of horses and headlines about it being a horse drug implying it is just for veterinary use. Ivermectin has been used extensively worldwide as a human anti-parasitic for 30 years now with minimal side effects. It is on the WHO’s list of essential medicines.
...

One has to wonder why media has been on the beating the drum on The Evils Of Ivermectin when there are studies that show promise.

We know someone who was prescribe Ivermectin to take if they got virused. That surprised us.

Later,
Dan

[dannc]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

It seems from SWL's bottom graph that men are more susceptible to death than women in the sample. What would account for that?

Ann

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Possibly because for the most part, the men have been married to women??

(runs and hides in forepeak)

Jim

Jim! Jim! Hello. Jim, are you there?

Has Ann forgiven you yet or did she lock you in your Man Cave, i.e., the forepeak, with just bread and water?

Later,
Dan

[El Pinguino]

Astra Zenica is walking out the door into the arms of the young - the ones at risk - in NSW and Vic at the moment.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...08-p58pwm.html
Maybe they are better at assessing risk than the old.

Meanwhile there is a big bunfight brewing over the government's handling of vaccine purchasing - scroll down to 'Greg Hunt defends Phizer deal'.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/a...=p52t5g#p52t5g
This failure is what has put us in our current spot.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

But it gets better. The general public only found out because he took an RAAF - 25 minute - flight whch showed up on flight radar and led to questions being asked.
If he had take the 'C1' limo it was a three hour freeway run and no-one would have been any the wiser.
Shades of Bronwyn Bishop's helicopter ride.
Then he posted that pic on Instagram(?) 'me with Jen and the kids earlier this year'.
He isn't very bright.

I could forgive him for that, after all being a dimwit isn't really his fault. Can't forgive his bull dust, deliberate spinning and half truths about Covid though.

[skipperpete]

Originally Posted by fxykty

Well, we bought Alan Lucas’ Cruising the Coral Coast to keep us entertained while in quarantine. Five full pages of dangers - we’re not worried at all about Covid anymore:
- spiders
- snakes (land and swimming too!)
- poisonous fish, including stonefish which you don’t even have to eat to get poisoned by
- box jellyfish
- Irukandji
- sharks
- crocodiles
- dingoes
- wild pigs
- sandflies

Crocs ,snakes and sharks no problem.....but then a stingray got Steve Irwin.

[SV DINGO]

All the **** is coming out now. Scomo just had a nice session on the ABC , difficult to hide the fact that Australia was too arrogant to talk to Pfizer. Well let's hope Australian will remember that next time we vote but highgly unlikely. So now we will open up MOST states , accept a few casulties and so far QLD and WA people are the only protected people in Australia. Go Anna go.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

All the **** is coming out now. Scomo just had a nice session on the ABC , difficult to hide the fact that Australia was too arrogant to talk to Pfizer. Well let's hope Australian will remember that next time we vote but highgly unlikely. So now we will open up MOST states , accept a few casulties and so far QLD and WA people are the only protected people in Australia. Go Anna go.

I'm un-baling.

Why would a minister of the federal government bother to talk to a big pharma company who does not yet have a product to sell. It is not a matter of arrogance it's that they have better things to do with their time than waste it listening to an hour of hard sell from someone selling vaporware.

This sort of thing gets shunted to the lowest executive in the organization and if there is anything to it and and their boss agrees they might get to mention it at the morning meeting.

Interesting interview on TV a few days ago wherein there was a discussion of why the Israelis are having such high case numbers when such a high proportion of the population is already fully immunized. Their is a suspicion that the vacine favored is not as effective and a third dose may be required.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

I'm un-baling.

Why would a minister of the federal government bother to talk to a big pharma company who does not yet have a product to sell. It is not a matter of arrogance it's that they have better things to do with their time than waste it listening to an hour of hard sell from someone selling vaporware.

This sort of thing gets shunted to the lowest executive in the organization and if there is anything to it and and their boss agrees they might get to mention it at the morning meeting.

Interesting interview on TV a few days ago wherein there was a discussion of why the Israelis are having such high case numbers when such a high proportion of the population is already fully immunized. Their is a suspicion that the vacine favored is not as effective and a third dose may be required.

Lets deal with one subject at a time , i take it you are a Scomno man , always finding something else instead of answering the question. Who cares about Israel? Did we ask about Israel? If you are not in the race well you can not win it. If you think Greg Hunt cxan not even talk to Pfizer , well then when the production starts , Greg's order is well an truely on the back order page.

Happy days again. As i said , my hero is Anna , i want QLD closed until end 2022 for sure.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Wotname

I could forgive him for that, after all being a dimwit isn't really his fault. Can't forgive his bull dust, deliberate spinning and half truths about Covid though.

Gee, leaders of countries get to fly around in airplanes who would have known.

It probably worked out cheaper without all the security vehicles and people making up the convoy required for a three hour car ride, particularly through western Sydney.

There's half a zillion executives flying all over the place in private jets these days and you want our national leader to stand on the steps hailing a cab to go to the bus station to catch a bus. Get real.

Paul Keeting once sent a 707 to Perth and back, to pick up a member of the house of representatives, who had gone back to his electorate for a birthday party without organizing a second, to ensure he had the number in a vote.