The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[El Pinguino]

You know its about to all go pear shaped when Mozza says he is off to Hawaii - erm - Washington.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Lucky i dont so i still take it as my right to complain. Afterall if i trust Viagra , i sure trust Pfizer covid 19.

Crikey, if you are comfortable with Viagra, I would sure as 'ell be happy with AZ (or any other Covid vaccine).

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-7...st-sideeffects

[El Pinguino]

I'm confused. Nothing new there.
We have been told by our resident CF experts that all the administration of all the vaccinations is down to the states.

But now from the wonderfully named 'Operation Covid Shield ' we have this

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f....html#comments

'The federal government has acknowledged the need to continue to focus on disadvantaged communities even when double dose vaccination rates among the eligible population pass 80 per cent, but defended its handling of the rollout in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island communities.'
and
'Health Minister Greg Hunt said the government ( Federal???) has provided 99 per cent of people living in remote Australia access to vaccines,'

This sounds to me like the federal government is in charge of this part of the strollout - same same aged care.
No?

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I'm confused. Nothing new there.
We have been told by our resident CF experts that all the administration of all the vaccinations is down to the states.

But now from the wonderfully named 'Operation Covid Shield ' we have this

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f....html#comments

'The federal government has acknowledged the need to continue to focus on disadvantaged communities even when double dose vaccination rates among the eligible population pass 80 per cent, but defended its handling of the rollout in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island communities.'
and
'Health Minister Greg Hunt said the government ( Federal???) has provided 99 per cent of people living in remote Australia access to vaccines,'

This sounds to me like the federal government is in charge of this part of the strollout - same same aged care.
No?

You are already on the right track here , aged care sector . The Feds proportion out the money to the States with some genral guyidelines. The States then can spend the money nilly willy and when the **** hits the fan the Feds blame it on the States and like we saw in the early days of covid , the retarded Aged care Fed. Minister did not even know how many people had died in aged care homes but he is responsible in principal but not really because the old guys died in STATES. Ping pong . Also is always a numbers game , you may remember the earlier daays of cell phones , carriers like Optus were happy to advertise they cover 95% of Australian Population , problem was us the consumer we heard 95% and tghought well around Burke we should be able to make a Cell call. The fineprint is what matters.

[Seaworthy Lass]

I thought I would go straight to the relevant Australian government document to see who was responsible for what when it came to COVID-19 vaccinations.

Here it is:
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ion-policy.pdf

It is as clear as mud .


The only references I could find to aged care, residential disability settings & Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples were the following two paragraphs.

In the section listing what the Australian government is responsible for:

“The Australian Government COVID-19 Implementation Plan will also include particular requirements for vaccination in residential aged care and residential disability settings; Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; culturally and linguistically diverse communities; and vulnerable groups.”

And later under the section of what State and Territory governments are each responsible for:

“In addition, the Australian, State and Territory governments will work together to ensure that the needs of the following groups are met: residential aged care and residential disability settings; Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; culturally and linguistically diverse communities; and vulnerable groups. This will be done in consultation with relevant stakeholders including the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Community Controlled Health Organisations (ACCHOs).”


Can anyone work out what this means when it comes to actually vaccinating those in aged care?

And whoever is responsible for this is also organising vaccination for “culturally and linguistically diverse” and “vulnerable” groups. No definition at all for the term “vulnerable”. I know government documents are often deliberately woolly, but this one takes the cake!

SWL

[El Pinguino]

Who is responsible?

'Hey Jen, pack my togs - we're off to Hawaii'

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...03-p58ohr.html

Well - when you do a TransPac sitting down the back of a C-130 you have earned a few days by the beach on the way there and back.

What? He isn't going by C-130? Lucky him.

Wonder if he will take and wear the gong Trump gave him.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

I thought I would go straight to the relevant Australian government document to see who was responsible for what when it came to COVID-19 vaccinations.

Here it is:
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ion-policy.pdf

It is as clear as mud .


The only references I could find to aged care, residential disability settings & Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples were the following two paragraphs.

In the section listing what the Australian government is responsible for:

“The Australian Government COVID-19 Implementation Plan will also include particular requirements for vaccination in residential aged care and residential disability settings; Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; culturally and linguistically diverse communities; and vulnerable groups.”

And later under the section of what State and Territory governments are each responsible for:

“In addition, the Australian, State and Territory governments will work together to ensure that the needs of the following groups are met: residential aged care and residential disability settings; Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples; culturally and linguistically diverse communities; and vulnerable groups. This will be done in consultation with relevant stakeholders including the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Community Controlled Health Organisations (ACCHOs).”


Can anyone work out what this means when it comes to actually vaccinating those in aged care?

And whoever is responsible for this is also organising vaccination for “culturally and linguistically diverse” and “vulnerable” groups. No definition at all for the term “vulnerable”. I know government documents are often deliberately woolly, but this one takes the cake!

SWL

I don't hold a needle mate....

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

You are already on the right track here , aged care sector . The Feds proportion out the money to the States with some genral guyidelines. The States then can spend the money nilly willy and when the **** hits the fan the Feds blame it on the States and like we saw in the early days of covid , the retarded Aged care Fed. Minister did not even know how many people had died in aged care homes but he is responsible in principal but not really because the old guys died in STATES. Ping pong . Also is always a numbers game , you may remember the earlier daays of cell phones , carriers like Optus were happy to advertise they cover 95% of Australian Population , problem was us the consumer we heard 95% and tghought well around Burke we should be able to make a Cell call. The fineprint is what matters.

Colbeck? The man truly is - as my kiwi mates would say - a duck.

[Seaworthy Lass]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I'm confused. Nothing new there.
We have been told by our resident CF experts that all the administration of all the vaccinations is down to the states.

But now from the wonderfully named 'Operation Covid Shield ' we have this

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f....html#comments

'The federal government has acknowledged the need to continue to focus on disadvantaged communities even when double dose vaccination rates among the eligible population pass 80 per cent, but defended its handling of the rollout in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island communities.'
and
'Health Minister Greg Hunt said the government ( Federal???) has provided 99 per cent of people living in remote Australia access to vaccines,'

This sounds to me like the federal government is in charge of this part of the strollout - same same aged care.
No?

BINGO! I found the relevant documents:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ion-plan_0.pdf

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ation-plan.pdf

Regarding aged care:

“Vaccination will be undertaken by an in-reach vaccination workforce provider engaged directly by the Australian Government.”

“However, the New South Wales, Victorian and South Australian Governments will maintain responsibility for vaccinating residents and staff of the public sector residential aged care facilities in their state and territory.”



In addition, although this document states staff were supposed to have been included, someone forgot to tell the teams (all or only some?) coming into the care homes .

SWL

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

BINGO! I found the relevant documents:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ion-plan_0.pdf

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ation-plan.pdf

Regarding aged care:

“Vaccination will be undertaken by an in-reach vaccination workforce provider engaged directly by the Australian Government.”

“However, the New South Wales, Victorian and South Australian Governments will maintain responsibility for vaccinating residents and staff of the public sector residential aged care facilities in their state and territory.”



In addition, although this document states staff were supposed to have been included, someone forgot to tell the teams (all or only some?) coming into the care homes .

SWL

The devil is in the detail - 'public sector aged care' is the State or - as it says- 'public' care.
That was well managed.
The majority of deaths in Victoria last year - and where the ongoing problems remain - were in private aged care. A federal responsibilty.

[mjgill1]

Is this for real? Eric Blair would be proud if so...

https://www.rebelnews.com/south_aust...ey_are_at_home

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by mjgill1

Is this for real? Eric Blair would be proud if so...

https://www.rebelnews.com/south_aust...ey_are_at_home

It's for ones that are in home quarantine only

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...work/100398878

[mjgill1]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

It's for ones that are in home quarantine only

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...work/100398878

Sounds more like house arrest based on the article. Good Lord!

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by mjgill1

Sounds more like house arrest based on the article. Good Lord!

People have proven themselves not to be trusted
It's a fken pandemic, wake up to yourself.

[Seaworthy Lass]

What I find incredibly frustrating in Australia is the prioritising of children aged 12 and over for Pfizer vaccination, a group that has been almost unaffected during this pandemic (at least from the virus itself).

After all the fuss with blood clots following AZ vaccination, there is still a lot of hesitancy amongst senior Australians, yet this group currently only has access to the AZ vaccine. It has been announced that anyone over 60 waiting for Pfizer to become available to them, will be put at the end of the queue after all the 12 year olds when this finally occurs.

The following data is a few days old, but out of the 1006 COVID-19 deaths in Australia since this pandemic began 973, ie 97% were aged over 60.

Merely 0.3% were aged under 30 (3 of the 1006) and just one was aged under 20.

Yet Pfizer is currently being pushed on the very young and withheld from the old.

Absolutely stupid policy decisions are being made by state premiers .

SWL