The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

my feeling is we need to have another look at this Federation , may be we split up and become individual countries , i will live in QLD country for sure. May be WA i visit but the rest well they are starting to become basket cases. I will visit Tasmania yes as i hold very found memories of it . This is just my five QLD cents of thoughts while i have my morning coffee , waiting for the wind to calm down a bit.

i know federation is a little off topic for the thread, but gota say it's funny how it's only the little states like wa & qld who talk about seceding, when they would have zero chance of survival without the revenue provided by nsw & vic

it's actually the southern states that should be agitating to kick out the others !

of course in reality a federation is by far the best situation for us all. the only way to improve it would be to get rid of state governments completely...would save untold billions + improve efficiency

my 5 ozzie cents...

cheers,

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by chrisr

i know federation is a little off topic for the thread, but gota say it's funny how it's only the little states like wa & qld who talk about seceding, when they would have zero chance of survival without the revenue provided by nsw & vic

it's actually the southern states that should be agitating to kick out the others !

of course in reality a federation is by far the best situation for us all. the only way to improve it would be to get rid of state governments completely...would save untold billions + improve efficiency

my 5 ozzie cents...

cheers,

Better to strip the Federal government of all powers except the power to tax WA and Qlnd miners and the power to redistribute that money to old geezers in Victoria.

Funny how you never hear any talk of seceding from the SA and Tas guvments.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Maybe you could detail some of the massive upgrade of the NSW Health Covid facilities. I haven't been able to find any evidence of a massive upgrade or even a significant upgrade for that matter.

Yes I know Gladys and Brad reckon they have (or are going to) 'quadrupled' ICU capacity but when one goes looking for confirmation, the claim sounds more like desperate shrill cry that is becoming the new normal for that pair. I get it though, they have no good news and in distress, they (apparently) make stuff up on the spot.

According to NSW Health, they had 592 ICU beds on July 23 https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...e-planning.pdf

Back in 2018, they had 874 - according to https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/...aused-covid-19

And according to the Feds, they have 846 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ugust-2021.pdf

It is quite possible that NSW Health has spent any extra money they have received but it doesn't appear to have been spent a massive upgrade of Covid response facilities (at least so far).

Maybe Brad should change his surname.

The stats were given during question time in the federal parliament yesterday. They were quoting thousands more equipment sets and tens of thousands of nurse upgrade training.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Better to strip the Federal government of all powers except the power to tax WA and Qlnd miners and the power to redistribute that money to old geezers in Victoria.

Funny how you never hear any talk of seceding from the SA and Tas guvments.

The miners already pay royalties to the state governments and company taxes on profits to the federal government. However the states share of the GST is reduced in those states which collect the greatest portions of royalties as their income. WA was only getting 46 cents of GST back for every dollar contributed. They winged so incessantly the feds gave in and increased their share. NSW is the big loser on GST and Tasmania and SA the perpetual mendicant states.

The succeeding from the Commonwealth thing tends to oscillate in WA. When the prices of iron ore and gold are high they want to abdicate and then when prices crash they go quiet.

[El Pinguino]

Well isn't Slomo a bright spark.

"Hey Look at me! look at me! I've just scored another 4 mill Phizer!

Now that will get the ancients happily getting in line for AZ now won't it.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/a...02-p58ob6.html

As Glad sort of said , don't come whinging when the covid comes for you after you knocked back AZ.

Moving right along - any smugness in WA and Qland is misplaced - it only took one case in Sydney and two in Melbourne. And once it arrives the unvaccinated are in grave peril.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by chrisr

i know federation is a little off topic for the thread, but gota say it's funny how it's only the little states like wa & qld who talk about seceding, when they would have zero chance of survival without the revenue provided by nsw & vic

it's actually the southern states that should be agitating to kick out the others !

of course in reality a federation is by far the best situation for us all. the only way to improve it would be to get rid of state governments completely...would save untold billions + improve efficiency

my 5 ozzie cents...

cheers,

When did you last do your economical figures Chris? Our current surplus is due to the resources income. Frydenberg clearly stated that so that is not my interpretation. Also , which are the states that have the resources???? WA and QLD for sure. Sailed lately around Gladstone or Point Abbot? Australias income comes from resourses so tell me what Victoria has??

I agree with your comment abvout state gov for sure but right now Anna makes sure i have a jolly good time up here so right now i am happy that she holds the ropes here.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Well isn't Slomo a bright spark.

"Hey Look at me! look at me! I've just scored another 4 mill Phizer!

Now that will get the ancients happily getting in line for AZ now won't it.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/a...02-p58ob6.html

As Glad sort of said , don't come whinging when the covid comes for you after you knocked back AZ.

Moving right along - any smugness in WA and Qland is misplaced - it only took one case in Sydney and two in Melbourne. And once it arrives the unvaccinated are in grave peril.

In QLD we can wait because mumma Anna looks after us. Let all the others get AZ and when the Pfizer arrives , well i am here with my sleve rolled up.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by tanngrisnir

I'm genuinely happy for you, it's the life we all wish we were having. Looks like it is not going to happen in Vic now as the case numbers are slipping away from us. I think with our extended days in lockdown and as more people feel a bit safer because of being vaccinated that everyone is relaxing their interpretation of the rules a bit and we are not going to get the case numbers back down. What we have done is won a little time to get to higher vaccination rates so hopefully when you get it you won't need hospitalization.



Glad to here of this, every available Pfizer dose in Qld should be going to the vulnerable 1A and indigenous people. Kind of curious why you are hanging out for Pfizer, It has not yet been released to the general population over 60 and there is no scheduled time frame, so your reluctance to get Az means you may be caught out if delta escapes in Qld in the next 2 months.

Have a look at this from the European Medicines Agency, it's a nice visualization of the relative risk of TTS vs covid hospitalisation, ICU admission and Death.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...isation_en.pdf

Well then we wait until you guys all took AZ and when Pfizer is in fact in oversupply we the over 60th in QLD are happy to take one of the shortly expiring shots.
By the way is an indigenous person over 60 a different person to me??? Just asking as all i want is equal rights for everyone that lives in Australia otherwise i call that racism and discrimination.

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Sailed lately around Gladstone or Point Abbot?.

we are enjoying gladstone right now actually

(and there is more coal moving ex newcastle than gladstone + abbot point put together )

cheers,

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by chrisr

we are enjoying gladstone right now actually

(and there is more coal moving ex newcastle than gladstone + abbot point put together )

cheers,

Well Gladys wouldnt mind going solo either as far as i can see so then we have 3 rich Countries and a few poor once and dont forget all the people from the poor states want to come up to QLD anyway for holidays so i pick QLD as my new choosen home Country.

Enjoy Gladstone i am a bit further north.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

In QLD we can wait because mumma Anna looks after us. Let all the others get AZ and when the Pfizer arrives , well i am here with my sleve rolled up.

Good luck with that, she seems to be struggling without Covid.

What was she apologising for this morning?
Then there is the nonsensical bit about vaccinating infants - just waiting for her to back track on that .

I wonder what it will be tomorrow.

'By the way is an indigenous person over 60 a different person to me???'

Indigenous people have far worse underlying health due to years of discrimination - but you already knew that.

'Let all the others get AZ and when the Pfizer Covid arrives ' which it surely will - you'll be stuffed.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Good luck with that, she seems to be struggling without Covid.

What was she apologising for this morning?
Then there is the nonsensical bit about vaccinating infants - just waiting for her to back track on that .

I wonder what it will be tomorrow.

'By the way is an indigenous person over 60 a different person to me???'

Indigenous people have far worse underlying health due to years of discrimination - but you already knew that.

'Let all the others get AZ and when the Pfizer Covid arrives ' which it surely will - you'll be stuffed.

I strongly suggest you come back to OZ first before making those statements. So you are saying that Pfizer is a bvetter vaccine as you can also take it if you have underlying conditions? What do you know i have mate???

Same rights for everyone , black or white , isnt that what we always say here but in fact we never mean it , we mean same rights for everyone but ME first yes?

She apologized becaause she also got it wrong , she closed Hotel quarantine to everyone so now she opened 50 rooms for QLD returning people only. See even she is discriminating but not against her fellow Queenslanders.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

I strongly suggest you come back to OZ first before making those statements. So you are saying that Pfizer is a bvetter vaccine as you can also take it if you have underlying conditions? What do you know i have mate???

Same rights for everyone , black or white , isnt that what we always say here but in fact we never mean it , we mean same rights for everyone but ME first yes?

She apologized becaause she also got it wrong , she closed Hotel quarantine to everyone so now she opened 50 rooms for QLD returning people only. See even she is discriminating but not against her fellow Queenslanders.

If you are over 60 with underlying conditions you would have been in 1A and could have had Phizer in February. Bit late to start complaining.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

If you are over 60 with underlying conditions you would have been in 1A and could have had Phizer in February. Bit late to start complaining.

Lucky i dont so i still take it as my right to complain. Afterall if i trust Viagra , i sure trust Pfizer covid 19.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

The stats were given during question time in the federal parliament yesterday. They were quoting thousands more equipment sets and tens of thousands of nurse upgrade training.

You must have been listening to a different question time than what I'm reading in Hansard.

There was nothing in Hansard for Question time on September 2, 2021 that in anyway supports your previous claim

Similarly if you were allowed to dig deep enough into the decrepit state of the WA health system you would probably find that rather than the massive upgrade in covid response facilities the NSW government has spent it's health budget on since the crisis began the WA health budget has been spent on vast improvements to the pay, conditions and numbers of the unionized segment of the health work force.

Even in the handful of Dorothy Dixers about Covid, it was mostly 'look what we gunna do' rather than 'look what we have done ma'. Take a pollie's promise with a shovel of salt.

I'll stick with the data I posted earlier as being more like the truth than the fantasy of Dorothy Dixers in the Canberra bubble. I saw somewhere in the last day or two, even the AMA is concerned about the lack of ICU capacity.