The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Some more good news for the AZ vaccinated... that's You Wottie..

THE Oxford/AstraZeneca jab gives powerful protection that may last a whole lifetime, a new study has found.

As well as generating virus-busting antibodies, the vaccine also creates “training camps” in the body for search-and-destroy T-cells which can kill even new variants.
It means the body can continue making these vital cells long after the antibodies have waned - as possibly for the rest of your life.

Scientists from Oxford and Switzerland, writing in journal Nature, say T-cell protection is a “key feature” of adenovirus vaccines like the Oxford and J&J jabs.

Researcher Prof Burkhard Ludewig, of Cantonal Hospital in Switzerland, said: "The T-cells that come from these cellular training camps appear to have a very high level of ‘fitness’.

“Adenoviruses have co-evolved with humans over a very long time, and learned a lot about the human immune system in the process.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/156059...me-protection/

It sounds like a PhD justifying his research position. In less time that it took to develop a vaccine it can be verified to have a life time immunization to everything viral. JMHO

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

The "scumbo" thing is typical of what you hear from the extreme left in Australia which always assumes a visceral hatred for any conservative prime minister and seldom ignores any opportunity to denigrate the individual holding the office.

It may surprise you to know that I am very middle of the road and in Federal elections always voted for the LNP until they parachuted that horrible self serving Sophie Mirabella into the seat of Indi. Thats when both myself and enough others decided to kick them out and went Independent. The seat is Indi if you want to look at its history.

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Ever since the thalidomide incident Australian governments have been pretty paranoid about any medication and even though approved overseas generally passes them through a strong evaluation before allowing them to be used in Australia.

The present prime minister's, Scott Morrison and hence "Scomo", "it's not a race" remark was in relation to the need to complete the evaluation in the usual manner before it being released for public use.

The federal government placed orders for Astra Zenica as the most likely candidate for successful development well before the development and approval for human usage was complete. The so called "slow roll out" of the vacine is a myth being propagated by the incumbent governments political foes for political purposes. By Australian standards the introduction process was remarkably quick.

Most of the reputational damage suffered by Astra Zenica was the result of the same group developing the meme that "the government screwed up by buying the wrong vacine" for political ends. This was far more relevant in the slow vacine take up than any shortage of vacine.

Poor performing governments is not a monopoly of either the left or the right in Australia. The left wingers generally are more active in social development and the right in economic development although they are generally far better at administration than the left because of the structures of the predominate parties in each sphere. However the left is far better at media management due to propaganda rather than press freedom being one of their priorities.

That is the myth being promulgated by Morrison but it is just that - a myth - put out there to cover the fact that they had not ordered enough vaccine.
Just Go the DuckDuck with 'Morrison not a race' and see what turns up.
Stuff like this
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/poli...-race-vaccine/

'However, Mr Morrison made numerous comments that the vaccination program was “not a race” in March – well after the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines had been approved by Australia’s medical regulators, and after many thousands of jabs had been given.

Indeed, transcripts published on the Prime Minister’s website show half a dozen “not a race” comments were given in response to questions specifically about the pace of Australia’s vaccine rollout – not the approval process, which had long since concluded.

The Pfizer vaccine was approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration on January 25, and AstraZeneca was approved on February 16.

On March 31, in South Australia, Mr Morrison was asked about the rollout. He responded: “we’re on track for our first dose for everyone by the end of October … We are working through the GPs as we move into 1B and the six million Australians that are part of that. And so, it’s not a race, it’s not a competition”.

In a March 14 press conference, at a Sydney medical clinic where he received his second dose of Pfizer, Mr Morrison was asked several questions about the speed of the rollout. He answered twice “it’s not a race”.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Missed one from the us that has nothing to do with OZ

So on the topic of OZ, having never been there are people mostly me me me or hmmm socially engaged

Sot not sure if that came across clearly

I'd say most are 'socially engaged' - even the farmers want to capitalise the gains and socialise the losses.

I don't think you would find very many in this country wanting to get rid of our health system although we do have our fair share of 'screw the poor' types.

Little story.... one of our retired right wing politicians -Andrew Peacock - died not long back. He had married a lady from Texas and had moved over there. She is on record as having said that he was the most left wing person she had ever known.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

The "scumbo" thing is typical of what you hear from the extreme left in Australia which always assumes a visceral hatred for any conservative prime minister and seldom ignores any opportunity to denigrate the individual holding the office.

...............

And should anyone think only one side of the political spectrum denigrates the sitting PM with a visceral hatred, they should have a gander at https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...22-ghug63.html

and get a more balanced view of how the game is played down under.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Cadence

It sounds like a PhD justifying his research position. In less time that it took to develop a vaccine it can be verified to have a life time immunization to everything viral. JMHO

Bet you wouldn't be saying that if it was about Pfizer..

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Some more good news for the AZ vaccinated... that's You Wottie..

THE Oxford/AstraZeneca jab gives powerful protection that may last a whole lifetime, a new study has found.

As well as generating virus-busting antibodies, the vaccine also creates “training camps” in the body for search-and-destroy T-cells which can kill even new variants.
It means the body can continue making these vital cells long after the antibodies have waned - as possibly for the rest of your life.

Scientists from Oxford and Switzerland, writing in journal Nature, say T-cell protection is a “key feature” of adenovirus vaccines like the Oxford and J&J jabs.

Researcher Prof Burkhard Ludewig, of Cantonal Hospital in Switzerland, said: "The T-cells that come from these cellular training camps appear to have a very high level of ‘fitness’.

“Adenoviruses have co-evolved with humans over a very long time, and learned a lot about the human immune system in the process.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/156059...me-protection/

I just gotta get past the period of having the vanishingly small chance of blood clots and I'm home free - will live forever

And my broadband speed has quadrupled now the AZ in-cranium modem is inches away from the 'puter.

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Bet you wouldn't be saying that if it was about Pfizer..

i could give a damn about who made the vaccine. It's my understanding that they just make your symptoms less by whatever % they tout not the chance of contracting it. It sounds as though even vaccinated you could be typhoid Mary?
I hope that vaccine is what he said it is but somehow doubt it.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Wotname

I just gotta get past the period of having the vanishingly small chance of blood clots and I'm home free - will live forever

And my broadband speed has quadrupled now the AZ in-cranium modem is inches away from the 'puter.

Nuthin to do with the vaccine mate.. its not mRNA so not 5G assisted... likely just good atmospherics, or a new tower close to you.

[GILow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Nuthin to do with the vaccine mate.. its not mRNA so not 5G assisted... likely just good atmospherics, or a new tower close to you.

Yeah, the AZ version just upgrades your installation of Windows. Definitely need Pfizer for the 5G speed boost.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Nuthin to do with the vaccine mate.. its not mRNA so not 5G assisted... likely just good atmospherics, or a new tower close to you.

Originally Posted by GILow

Yeah, the AZ version just upgrades your installation of Windows. Definitely need Pfizer for the 5G speed boost.

WOW, I'm looking forward to my Pfizer booster then...

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Wotname

And should anyone think only one side of the political spectrum denigrates the sitting PM with a visceral hatred, they should have a gander at https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...22-ghug63.html

and get a more balanced view of how the game is played down under.

Small point -- 'Scumbo' was all my own work but feel free to use it.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Small point -- 'Scumbo' was all my own work but feel free to use it.

Has been Scumo to the rest of us.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by GILow

Yeah, the AZ version just upgrades your installation of Windows. Definitely need Pfizer for the 5G speed boost.

However, I hear from an unimpeachable source (The back bar of the Australia hotel in Cairns) that both are to be included in antifoul paints as soon as their researchers get the proportions right and we will never have to slip a vessel again.

So I'm for both AZ and Pfizer.

[NevilleCat]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

However, I hear from an unimpeachable source (The back bar of the Australia hotel in Cairns) that both are to be included in antifoul paints as soon as their researchers get the proportions right and we will never have to slip a vessel again.

So I'm for both AZ and Pfizer.

As an additional bonus your AZPfz antifouling will also act as a ground plate for your HF and, of course an antivirus for your Windows laptop.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by NevilleCat

As an additional bonus your AZPfz antifouling will also act as a ground plate for your HF and, of course an antivirus for your Windows laptop.

I am attaching a good deal of plausibility to the antifoul and HF ground plate claims but I tend to the opinion that there is nothing which may be encompassed by the human imagination which would protect Microsoft software from viruses.