The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Well it seems that we are back to normal, at least in Victoria.
Yesterday was the first day in almost 2 years that Covid was NOT'top of page' and with its very own section in the Melbourne 'Age' giving daily deaths etc etc..

Today one small piece in 'local news' which is further down the page than the Winter Olympics - 'opposition leader caught unmasked in Parliament House, hit with $100 fine'.
https://www.theage.com.au

They still have the 'stats box' top right which I find interesting
https://www.theage.com.au/national/c..._redirect=true
16 people in hospital in Tassie !

Other news, Dan pushes for 3 vaxx requirement for international visitors.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...09-p59v20.html

Ooooops, too late to edit...
first day in almost 2 years that Covid was NOT 'top of page' .and

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

first day in almost 2 years that Covid was NOT 'top of page'

We all guessed that that was what you meant.

And that the lack of mention in the press was purely because the journos lack imagination, judgment, information, etc.

Take this story from the WaPo for example. Wasn't even at the top of page!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-covid-deaths/

[captmikem]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Up to date? masks in short supply?

just take a piece of paper and put it in your pocket, just as effective.

M

[GILow]

Originally Posted by captmikem

just take a piece of paper and put it in your pocket, just as effective.



M

I think you may be wearing them wrong.

[RaymondR]

A couple of interesting statistics from the Australian Bureau of Statistics:

No of people in Australia who have died with covid = 2,863

No if people in Australia who have died from covid = 83

During the same period more people have died from falling off ladders, down stairs, etc.

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

A couple of interesting statistics from the Australian Bureau of Statistics:

No of people in Australia who have died with covid = 2,863

No if people in Australia who have died from covid = 83

The statistics are not a surprise. 83 people died from Covid without any other cause.

The others had at least one underlying contributing cause of death. The most common of which was a chronic cardiac condition.

See: https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covi...lity-australia

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

A couple of interesting statistics from the Australian Bureau of Statistics:

No of people in Australia who have died with covid = 2,863

No if people in Australia who have died from covid = 83

During the same period more people have died from falling off ladders, down stairs, etc.

or by being bitten on the bum by badgers?

Come on Raymond - gizza link to the ABS showing time frame etc.

That is how it looks these days in the land of full vaccination and omicron - its a disease of the aged and unvaccinated - especially the aged in aged care - and the aged and unvaccinated in aged care..

Nothing in 'The Age' headlines for a week - looks a bit rough in the NT though - and Joyce has hit the ignore button for WA until June.



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[El Pinguino]

Ah-- from Alan's link

'Deaths due to COVID-19: Associated causes of death
COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death for 2,556 registered deaths that have been received by the ABS occurring up to 31 January 2022. The WHO defines the underlying cause of death as the disease or condition that initiated the train of morbid events leading to death. '

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

That is how it looks these days in the land of full vaccination and omicron - its a disease of the aged and unvaccinated - especially the aged in aged care - and the aged and unvaccinated in aged care.

USA experience with Omicron shows a considerable impact on adolescents and younger children, with admissions to hospital from Omicron running about 4 times that of from the Delta variant.

The long term consequences - such as cardiac complications caused by Covid-19 - are not yet crystal clear from any age cohort.

For the impact on adolescents etc., see: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...r-than-deltas/

[captmikem]

Originally Posted by Alan Mighty

The long term consequences - such as cardiac complications caused by Covid-19 - are not yet crystal clear from any age cohort.

Nor are the long term consequences - such as cardiac complications caused by Covid-19 VACCINATIONS - are not yet crystal clear from any age cohort.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by captmikem

Nor are the long term consequences - such as cardiac complications caused by Covid-19 VACCINATIONS - are not yet crystal clear from any age cohort.

Myocarditis: COVID-19 is a much bigger risk to the heart than vaccination
https://theconversation.com/myocardi...ination-174580

Based on a study out of Israel, the risk of post-vaccine myocarditis is 2.13 cases per 100,000 vaccinated, which is within the range usually seen in the general population. This study is consistent with others in the United States and Israel which put the overall incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis between 0.3 and five cases per 100,000 people.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID-19 is much higher, at 146 cases per 100,000. The risk is higher for males, older adults (ages 50+) and children under 16 years old. Soccer player Alphonso Davies, 21, of Canada’s national men’s team, was sidelined by heart inflammation after having COVID-19.

[captmikem]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Myocarditis: COVID-19 is a much bigger risk to the heart than vaccination
https://theconversation.com/myocardi...ination-174580

Based on a study out of Israel, the risk of post-vaccine myocarditis is 2.13 cases per 100,000 vaccinated, which is within the range usually seen in the general population. This study is consistent with others in the United States and Israel which put the overall incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis between 0.3 and five cases per 100,000 people.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID-19 is much higher, at 146 cases per 100,000. The risk is higher for males, older adults (ages 50+) and children under 16 years old. Soccer player Alphonso Davies, 21, of Canada’s national men’s team, was sidelined by heart inflammation after having COVID-19.

A side-effect of the mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines may be more common than previously believed, according to a new study conducted in Oregon, with additional research suggesting the risk for the side-effect increases dramatically among males under 40 with each additional dose of the vaccine.

The first study, conducted by doctors in Portland from the Kaiser Permanente healthcare provider network, examined incidents of two kinds of heart inflammation - myocarditis and pericarditis -from the Kaiser Permanente database.

Both the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccines have been linked in a number of cases to heart inflammation, particularly in younger male recipients of the vaccine.

Led by head researcher Katie Sharff, the team found a number of cases which would likely have not been included in Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimate for the prevalence of myocarditis and pericarditis among vaccine recipients.

In addition, the team found that a number of cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were left out of initial estimates when the vaccine recipient who suffered heart inflammation after receiving the jab was taken to an out-of-network medical centers not connected to the Kaiser Permanente chain. The researchers found that in many cases, there was a significant delay in billing Kaiser Permanente for treatment of heart inflammation cases in individuals who had received the vaccine. Due to the delay, however, and the fact that the condition was identified out of network, the cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were not counted in estimates of the total number of cases.

[sv_pelagia]

That Portland Kaiser Permanente study is not yet peer reviewed. Nevertheless, of real interest. We shall see.

In the meantime:
As the FDA advisers reviewed in extensive detail, myocarditis is a known adverse reaction associated with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and is most prevalent in young males under 30. Myocarditis cases associated with the vaccines tend to be mild and resolve on their own, with the majority having no long-term effects. Medical groups have resoundingly noted that the benefit of the vaccine far outweighs the risk of myocarditis in adolescents. [underline added]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...illness-death/

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

or by being bitten on the bum by badgers?

Come on Raymond - gizza link to the ABS showing time frame etc.

That is how it looks these days in the land of full vaccination and omicron - its a disease of the aged and unvaccinated - especially the aged in aged care - and the aged and unvaccinated in aged care..

Nothing in 'The Age' headlines for a week - looks a bit rough in the NT though - and Joyce has hit the ignore button for WA until June.



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What struck me as significant is the difference between the actuality of the mortality consequences of the disease and the impression generated by the overwrought media attention focused upon it.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

What struck me as significant is the difference between the actuality of the mortality consequences of the disease and the impression generated by the overwrought media attention focused upon it.

Isn't the actuality just that you are dead - the end?

Nothing left for the media to beat up. Now that we are all vaxxed Covid seems to have settled down in the aged care homes with the oldies.

Only news today down here in the south is easing restrictions and mask mandates while your mate Dan is concerned that international arrivals won't need to be boosted.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...16-p59wvs.html