The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[boatman61]

Appeal to be heard in the Courts on Monday..

[El Pinguino]

The poor little darling
https://www.theage.com.au/national/n...06-p59mhc.html

He is discovering that words and actions have consequences
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tenn...06-p59m96.html

There is a vanishingly small level of support for him in the country and sadly we now see Scumbo - with an election just a few months away - going the 'full populist'.

Novax should have seen this coming.

[GILow]

In defence of the tennis-turnip, it does appear that Tennis Australia has been issuing permits to enter Australia!?

Border officials investigate more medical exemptions after Djokovic's visa cancellation
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...ovic/100742868


If this is the case, someone in Tennis Australia needs their arse kicked from here to Christmas.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by GILow

In defence of the tennis-turnip, it does appear that Tennis Australia has been issuing permits to enter Australia!?

Border officials investigate more medical exemptions after Djokovic's visa cancellation
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...ovic/100742868


If this is the case, someone in Tennis Australia needs their arse kicked from here to Christmas.

Maybe he should have used his Hutt River passport?

TA can hand out medical exemption paperwork, it is still up to Border Farce to accept that scrap of paper.

[El Pinguino]

Picked this up in a comment somewhere

' they (TA) lost sight of the fact an exemption to play in a tennis tournament is not the same as an exemption to enter the country. This is a catastrophic failure by TA, the most embarrassing by any sports administrator in living memory and they know it. TA was all over media street on Wednesday yet on Thursday, with the No1 player in the world detained at the border, not a word.'

[HankOnthewater]

Originally Posted by Alan Mighty

Methinks you miss many of the 'goods' or benefits of testing. At a minimum:

Thanks Alan for the invitation for a sail. Moreton Bay sounds good. I will bring RA test kits.

In my line of (private) work I organise hundreds of tests a day, some PCR, some rapid PCR, and at the moment mostly Rapid Antigen, mostly asymptomatic people. In my other line of work (in a hospital) I am involved in care of a broad range of sick patients, some get tested, most of them are not (in WA). It all depends on a risk assessment. In WA there are no covid positive patients in hospital. My partner is also involved with health care, but mainly with vaccinations and testing for Covid in ED (these 2 jobs not on same shift!)

I understand very well the virtues of testing, but really testing itself does not prevent transmission. It gives a point in time that we know with a negative test we are not contagious, although we might be infected already. The real benefit of testing is to protect others around that person, and as such provide a safer environment (like us sailing after both being tested).

PCR testing is only good if we are self-isolating, due to the large delay in getting the results back. If the person is not isolating then that person is in the community 2 to 4 days and then finds out he/she is positive.
RA testing can only find those infected people with a relative high viral load, as they are not as sensitive as PCR. There will be a certain of number of people (particularly those who are fully vaccinated) that an infection is not found with RA tests.

Right at this moment in Oz, a positive test with Rapid Antigen is not included in the state's statistics, although Victoria is (trying to) change that now. Not sure how well that will work. I think it will not.
The UK has, I think, a fairly good system to record RA tests.

Stay safe, and indeed sailing is one of the activities with a very low chance of transmission..... particularly when sailing a Laser

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by HankOnthewater

...........
Right at this moment in Oz, a positive test with Rapid Antigen is not included in the state's statistics, although Victoria is (trying to) change that now. Not sure how well that will work. I think it will not.
..........

Likewise in Tasmania, a positive RAT will be included in the stats. More detail is expected today (Friday).
https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/i...ntigen-testing

In other breaking news, The Manus Island Open has confirmed that world number one Novak Djokovic will play as a wild card entrant. He is expected to arrive shortly...

[HankOnthewater]

Originally Posted by GILow

In defence of the tennis-turnip, it does appear that Tennis Australia has been issuing permits to enter Australia!?

Border officials investigate more medical exemptions after Djokovic's visa cancellation
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...ovic/100742868


If this is the case, someone in Tennis Australia needs their arse kicked from here to Christmas.

Medical doctors that write exemptions for being Covid vaccinated do have to follow a process, roughly outlined here: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...d-19-vaccine-e
Note that each state has slightly different rules on exemptions.

Exemptions given by overseas doctors generally are assessed by an Australian medical practitioner, for not approving, or approving only for limited period of time or for endorsing the exemption.

Both last 2 decisions of an exemption need to be submitted to Medicare (AIR Australian Immunisation Register) to appear on the digital vaccination certificate. This became enforced mid October when it was found certain doctors were supplying lots of exemptions here in Australia.

[HankOnthewater]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Likewise in Tasmania, a positive RAT will be included in the stats. More detail is expected today (Friday).
https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/i...ntigen-testing

In other breaking news, The Manus Island Open has confirmed that world number one Novak Djokovic will play as a wild card entrant. He is expected to arrive shortly...

Thanks Wotname, I did not see that Tassie announcement. Funny that I pick up Covid news on a sailing forum. Hmmm, I must say the first time I heard about Omicron was also on CF, a day before it became global news on 26 November.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by HankOnthewater

Thanks Wotname, I did not see that Tassie announcement. Funny that I pick up Covid news on a sailing forum. Hmmm, I must say the first time I heard about Omicron was also on CF, a day before it became global news on 26 November.

Yes, it spreads faster in forums than in the population.

[El Pinguino]

I wonder what today will bring in the world of tennis.
What odds Scumbo's cheap shot at populism bites him on the bum.

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

What odds Scumbo's cheap shot at populism bites him on the bum.

From the AFR (https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0110-p59n3o):-

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he wants to “maximise the workforce”, with state leaders to tick off on new guidelines that will allow close contacts to avoid having to isolate if they work in a wider range of critical industries.

"Mr Morrison also rejected accusations from Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese and some health experts that he had “let the virus rip”, saying it was a comparison that did not stack up because a raft of public health measures remained in place."

M'sieur le Perrottet has been silent on the subject of his personal responsibility of letting viruses rip.

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I wonder what today will bring in the world of tennis.

From the AFR (https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers...0110-p59n1e):-

Not long into the court challenge on Monday morning by the world’s top tennis player against the Morrison government – one of the weird fights considered fantastical pre-pandemic – the judge in charge began articulating arguments for the offence.

Federal Circuit Court judge Anthony Kelly explored what he clearly considered to be a dubious middle-of-the-night interview with Novak Djokovic by Border Force officers last Thursday.

Referring to a transcript of the interview, the Serbian thought he had all the paperwork necessary to enter Victoria unvaccinated against COVID-19, Justice Kelly said.

As the video-conducted hearing was broadcast over the internet by a YouTuber, against the court’s express wishes, Kelly noted that Djokovic’s medical exemption from immunisation was verified by a “professor and eminently qualified physician”.

His documents were in the hands, literally, of the black-suited Border Force. If there was any more information they needed, Djokovic offered to get it.

“What more could this man have done?” Kelly asked.

Kelly expressed interest in another concern raised by Djokovic’s lead barrister, Nick Wood, SC.

A Border Force officer, according to Wood, told Djokovic that his shift was about to end. It was in the tennis player’s interest for a decision to be made on his entry to Australia without other people getting involved, the officer allegedly said.

“I’m utterly confused,” Djokovic said, according to Wood. “I’ve done everything asked of me. If there has been an error I don’t understand what it is. I would like some time to talk to lawyers when my agent and Tennis Australia is awake.”

“What happens is something completely different,” Wood said.

Djokovic’s visa was cancelled, and he became a prisoner of the Australian government.

The decision means Victoria, which has 161,000 COVID-19 cases and a 93 per cent adult vaccination coverage, is shielded from the contagious threat of a professional tennis player by the walls of a Melbourne hotel.

The judge, sitting in what presumably was an empty courtroom, suggested he was familiar with law-enforcement officers who prefer their interview subjects go unrepresented.

“What they are saying is, ‘Getting in touch with your lawyers is not really going to help any of us. Why don’t we get it done?’” Kelly said.

Wood, flanked by two lawyers, including one with a Ned Kelly-like beard, said there was no need to cancel Djokovic’s visa that morning, a decision which the court is being asked to reverse.

“That opportunity was denied on the spurious basis there was not anything else anyone could do,” Wood said.

A Melbourne University legal academic who watched the hearing, Jeremy Gans, said such mid-case judicial commentary was not unusual. “It’s very useful for counsel to know the judge’s thinking,” he said

Except, the judge usually argues against the barrister speaking, not for him or her.

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by UFO

A friend of mine and his father who came down to WA from NT were stopped covid tested and told to self isolate until the results were in - 5-6 days!!!!


They stuck the swab so far up his fathers nose that it caused a very large nose bleed!

Both of them have had BOTH vaccination shots and when they told them this they were told that you can still catch and spread Covid even if vaccinated and that they still must isolate until the results come in.


What sort of Mickey Mouse world (sorry Country) do we live in where HEALTHY (Vaccinated) People are locked up?



As for 5-6 days to get the results back, well that is truly taking the pi$$.


Vive la Révolution

What sort of socialist libertarian hippie rant is this? Get back in your space ship and go back to where you came from.

If you can't accept the rules of our despotic leaders then STAY AWAY! We don't want foreign disidents playing tennis on our shores, so drop your delusions of doing a Sydney to Hobart right here and now.

And don't think you will be slipping into the country to board a boat where ever you like. That sort of bad behaviour stops at Manus Island. YOU WILL be paying out of your own pocket for a 14 day stay in solitary confinement and the pleasure conforming to our strict regime of medical coercion.

Signed,

A Concerned Resident

NSW - The Legislation State.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I wonder what today will bring in the world of tennis.
What odds Scumbo's cheap shot at populism bites him on the bum.

Looks like a sore bum!

First set 1-0 (novak v scumbo)

Next set will be Novak v Alex - prolly will be a lay day.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...n-10/100747106