The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[Lucky Luke 1]

Originally Posted by ahun

The plan has worked. People don't learn from history. Divide and conquer. Fear has been planted and it spread faster than plaque. People hate other people, countries against countries or states vs states. Western Australians hate Queenslanders, Tasmanians hate Victorians, Northern Territorians afraid of everyone else. Shut the borders, pull up the barb wire fences, and get the guns out.

No they don't.
We just like to tease each other.
The more jealous ones tease the hardest.

[Lucky Luke 1]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Without tourists Tasmania is a parasitic growth on the bottom of Australia.
The state's biggest employment sector is Health Care and Social Assistance ie Centrelink at about 16% - which just uses money rather than creates it.

Meanwhile
'For the year ending September 2016, there were 1.19 million visitors, up 4 per cent from 1.14 for the previous year. Total nights spent by visitors in the state increased by 8 per cent to 10.58 million. Visitor expenditure increased by 8 per cent to $AUD 2.07 billion. The number of interstate visitors to Tasmania increased by 3 per cent to 1.01 million (was 982,000).[10] To place this in context, the total estimated population in June 2016 of Tasmania was 519,128.[11] Which means more than double the states population are tourist visitors over a year period.'

Keep the tourists locked out and you had better be enjoying your agrarian existence.

Interstate shipping?
You send to to the mainland newsprint ( that would be a dying trade ) , Reflex copy paper, frozen peas , and Simplot frozen 'fries' for Macca's. Along with a bit of fish and fruit and veg in season - and pickled onions which are very very good.

Trade south is just about everything you find in Tasmanian shops.

Enjoy your horse.

Don't be to jealous. It would be nice to 1/2 that tourist number.

"Also today, the ANZ Stateometer for the September 2021 quarter confirms that Tasmania’s economy continues to perform ‘above trend,’ describing Tasmania as a “pocket of strength.”

ANZ highlighted Tasmania’s wage growth of 2.7 per cent over the year was “outpacing the rest of the nation” and that the state’s wages growth has constantly tracked above the national average since 2015."


You do you and let us do us.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by ahun

The plan has worked. People don't learn from history. Divide and conquer. Fear has been planted and it spread faster than plaque. People hate other people, countries against countries or states vs states. Western Australians hate Queenslanders, Tasmanians hate Victorians, Northern Territorians afraid of everyone else. Shut the borders, pull up the barb wire fences, and get the guns out.

Just remind me, whose plan was it?

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by ahun

The plan has worked. People don't learn from history. Divide and conquer. Fear has been planted and it spread faster than plaque. People hate other people, countries against countries or states vs states. Western Australians hate Queenslanders, Tasmanians hate Victorians, Northern Territorians afraid of everyone else. Shut the borders, pull up the barb wire fences, and get the guns out.

Dear oh dear.

[fivecapes]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Just remind me, whose plan was it?

The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by fivecapes

The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

Indeed.
FWIW: Most conspiracy theorists are on the wrong track. It's actually a group called the Pentaveret that are calling the shots.
The existence of the Pentaveret is revealed in the Mike Myers film, "So I Married an Axe Murderer".
The father of Myers' character says: "It is a well-known fact ... that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows."
Members of the Pentaveret, he reveals, include the Queen, representatives of the Vatican, the Gettys and the Rothschilds, and, most chillingly, Colonel Sanders, the founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken, before he died. "The colonel had sinister "beady little eyes", he says.

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by ahun

The plan has worked. People don't learn from history. Divide and conquer. Fear has been planted and it spread faster than plaque. People hate other people, countries against countries or states vs states. Western Australians hate Queenslanders, Tasmanians hate Victorians, Northern Territorians afraid of everyone else. Shut the borders, pull up the barb wire fences, and get the guns out.

Wonder if AHUN WAS, ATILLA THE HUN LONG AGO.
A revealing post?
Hummm.
Living in an Authoritarian Country, sucks, sorry for your troubles there.
We're fighting off political marauders, in our own now.
What they promise is more treachery.
Watch our next election, an see what happens here.
Boatyarddog

[RaymondR]

Hopefully what we are seeing is not the beginning of the dissolution of the federation of Australia by a bunch of parochial state premiers.

The federal government made a serious mistake by not persisting in the High Court of Australia case against border closures.

Quarantine can be an effective defense against infectious diseases but it should not be applied on the basis of state boundaries. The TV images of families meeting across plastic road barriers on the Gold Coast is a disgusting sight.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

.
. The TV images of families meeting across plastic road barriers on the Gold Coast is a disgusting sight.

Get a grip.

Some of us have family members that live overseas that we have never met
I have family within a 50klm radius and I haven't seen some of them in the 5 years+ we have been cruising

No one died and the world did not end.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Hopefully what we are seeing is not the beginning of the dissolution of the federation of Australia by a bunch of parochial state premiers.

The federal government made a serious mistake by not persisting in the High Court of Australia case against border closures.

Quarantine can be an effective defense against infectious diseases but it should not be applied on the basis of state boundaries. The TV images of families meeting across plastic road barriers on the Gold Coast is a disgusting sight.

Most Australians , like Simi and myself, would not have been overly affected by the domestic border closures. If you exclude transists through Tulla I go to Melbourne once a year and that is once too often. Other states? I haven't been back to Tassie since I retired 15 years ago , most of the others much the same.
Being a 'border resident' I don't think there was a time when I couldn't cross into NSW.
For many others the reality was a whole lot different .

The Victorian ombudsman's report can be read in full here
https://www.ombudsman.vic.gov.au/our...it-directions/

A news piece here
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...heme/100678396

And before anyone hangs **** on Dan I don't think any of the other states acted any differently.
Has my view changed? Yes it has.

[Lucky Luke 1]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Hopefully what we are seeing is not the beginning of the dissolution of the federation of Australia by a bunch of parochial state premiers.

The federal government made a serious mistake by not persisting in the High Court of Australia case against border closures.

Quarantine can be an effective defense against infectious diseases but it should not be applied on the basis of state boundaries. The TV images of families meeting across plastic road barriers on the Gold Coast is a disgusting sight.

We are a Federation of states. I often say that Tassie should leave the federation and Ive heard Qlders and WA people say the same. Unfortunately NSW and VIC seem to govern for the rest of us and they don't represent the views of the entire country. Being a federation is handy when the Federal Gov drops the ball as they did with Covid or an atom bomb is dropped on Canberra or purley to govern for the benefit of that state. If America had ur system then perhaps they could of slowed the spread down a lot better. I'm not sure if we really need a Prime minister now we have this National Cabinet.

Palmer who funded the high court challenge for the Federal Gov lost.

I have lots of family I haven't seen in 10 or so years...Reminds me I really should ring my big sister, i haven't spoken with her for a couple of years.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Lucky Luke 1

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I'm not sure if we really need a Prime minister now we have this National Cabinet.

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Be careful what you wish for - Tas would end up sitting at the back of the room grateful for scraps thrown its way by NSW.
Dom is already telling Slomo what to do and when to do it.

Meanwhile NZ has effectively slammed the door shut once more
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300...omers-affected
Thats 27000 New Zealanders effectively locked out of their own country for yet another six weeks.
If at the end of February she still hasn't managed get some groups - you know who I mean - vaccinated she will just extend it again.

Note well - this is New Zealanders locked out - not furriners who have no show this side of Christmas after next.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Lucky Luke 1

... Unfortunately NSW and VIC seem to govern for the rest of us and they don't represent the views of the entire country ...

But NSW & Vic, together, DO represent a majority [± 56%] of Australia's population. Sydney alone, is home to around 20% of the country's total population.

[JPA Cate]

We are dealing with the virus mutating, but there is no reason to assume that we know that it will eventually stop. It is the nature of viruses to keep on changing. It can get worse, or less so.

Just my opinion, but I still think the goal of not overwhelming health care systems is a good, a valid, one. However, given the transmissability of the Omicron variant, it may not be an attainable one: the future will tell us, but we don't get to know now. It seems to me that the best thing we can do is cooperate with what is asked of us, even when it annoys us. It can be hard to cope with an ongoing state of emergency, and imo, all nations are coping as best they can. Some have more cooperative populations than others.

We should be grateful it isn't 1331 and the first incidence of the bubonic plague. In China, they lost half their population (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/h...c-history.html).

So far, it is not so bad for us, and I am grateful.

We're scheduled for a Moderna booster later today. I hope it helps. Tassie is masking for public gatherings and places. Hoping to buy more masks today, too.

Ann

[Cadence]

I thought you Aussie were smarter than us in the US and not being so petty over politics.