The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Not at all, your 'draconian mandates' concern golf, rabid antivax ratbags getting bashed by the cops, and similar.

You must have missed the latest - which is on its way to the upper house.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...28-p593y3.html

Feel free to do your own further research

One realizes that those poor gullible fools with tendencies towards the left end of the political spectrum are inclined to uncritically believe all they are told by their political leaders who generally are also inclined to sitting on toadstools at the bottom of the garden when it comes to adopting crazy ideas as policy and indoctrinating their followers thereto, might tend to then using extremest language such as the term "rabid antivax ratbags" to describe those who do not agree with them, as is their wont.

However, when one reviews the modern history of governments informing their populaces one might be inclined to an opinion that perhaps the "rabid antivax ratbags" have a valid point.

To varying degrees governments do not have a good record when it comes to
being entirely truthful when this conflicts with their political objectives and neither do commercial organizations such as big pharma.

The thalidomide tragedy taught us that rapid uptake of new medications may have very detrimental outcomes and that a very stringent testing regime is required before they are released for public use. And, it appears that the approvals process for the available covid vaccines has not complied with accepted practices especially considering that some of them are new technology.

I'm not anti vax having had two shots of AZ but can understand why some folks may be concerned about having some of this stuff pumped into their bodies and consequently tend to object to them being described as "rabid antivax ratbags" by "rabid political ratbags" with leftish political leanings.

[JPA Cate]

Spotlight - do not ask what I was doing at Spotlight - I repeat - do not ask........

Easy, either lacy curtain material (purpose impossible to imagine with regards to a boat) or upholstery material for the cushions (who knows what you'll find in Ecuador?) or maybe you're going to take up trading for fun and improving language skills?

Mod hat off. Ann

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

Ping, highlighting part of my sentence to alter the meaning is not a true blue tactic. The full sentence said that I have not come across it in Europe. I have certainly personally come across both discord in families and friendships ending over vaccination issues in Australia.




You must have looked mighty suspicious for Spotlight to want to see your medical records in NSW .

Your certificate will certainly need to be flashed soon in the majority of retail places just over the border in Victoria:

“The retail sector will open to all Victorians from 6pm Friday as the state hits the 80% vaccination milestone, regardless of a person’s vaccine status.
But from 24 November, when the state is expected to reach 90% vaccination targets, “vaccinated economy” settings will come into effect, locking out all unvaccinated Victorians eligible to have received the vaccine from the majority of public life.”

SWL

Spotlight had a lady at the door checking everyones paperwork, regardless of gender. How it works is that when you use your phone on the QR code it automatically brings up your vax cert.
I shall report back in the coming week on how it is working in Vic. You are aware that a huge raft of services are considered 'essential' and no vaxx is or will be required?

Meanwhile it has come to my attention that we know someone in Euroa who has a cousin at Carragarmungee who has a daughter down at Boho who says she won't be getting vaxxed.

Like I say, these people are vanishingly rare, probably should be a protected species.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

One realizes that those poor gullible fools with tendencies towards the left end of the political spectrum are inclined to uncritically believe all they are told by their political leaders who generally are also inclined to sitting on toadstools at the bottom of the garden when it comes to adopting crazy ideas as policy and indoctrinating their followers thereto, might tend to then using extremest language such as the term "rabid antivax ratbags" to describe those who do not agree with them, as is their wont.

However, when one reviews the modern history of governments informing their populaces one might be inclined to an opinion that perhaps the "rabid antivax ratbags" have a valid point.

To varying degrees governments do not have a good record when it comes to
being entirely truthful when this conflicts with their political objectives and neither do commercial organizations such as big pharma.

The thalidomide tragedy taught us that rapid uptake of new medications may have very detrimental outcomes and that a very stringent testing regime is required before they are released for public use. And, it appears that the approvals process for the available covid vaccines has not complied with accepted practices especially considering that some of them are new technology.

I'm not anti vax having had two shots of AZ but can understand why some folks may be concerned about having some of this stuff pumped into their bodies and consequently tend to object to them being described as "rabid antivax ratbags" by "rabid political ratbags" with leftish political leanings.

There are the vaccine hesitant and then there are Rabid Antivax Ratbags - the latter are the noisy ones trying to force their views on others - huge difference.

I hope you don't consider me a rabid political ratbag. The RPRs - like the RARs - are a very small part of the Australian population and certaintly don't count me in their numbers although I'm not too sure about you.

[AKA-None]

At this point wouldn’t it make sense to simply say on such date we’re giving all the remaining vaccines to (pick a country)
Seems there are plenty of people that want it but there’s none to give them

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

There are the vaccine hesitant and then there are Rabid Antivax Ratbags - the latter are the noisy ones trying to force their views on others - huge difference.
.................

To expand on this good differentiation, I notice three types.

A. Vaccine hesitant
B. Vaccine decliners
C. Vocal and Violent Antivaccine Promoters (i.e. Rabid Antivax Ratbags, RAR).

Like 'Ping, the business A & B is no business of mine while I do not like C.

Are the RARs unAustralian (?)

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

3 weeks ago
'Victoria is easing its COVID-19 border restrictions with NSW and the ACT, opening the door for more stranded residents to return home.

From midnight on Wednesday, red zone areas in NSW and the ACT - mainly regional places not in lockdown - will be downgraded to orange zones.

The change will allow both residents and non-residents to enter Victoria as long as they take a test within 72 hours of arrival and wait for a negative result before leaving isolation.'

We applied 3 weeks ago and even on compassionate grounds and were still refused,
Were are in an orange zone, And not in a lock down Zone,
We are both permanent residents of Victoria,
My home address has been the same since 1978,
We both had negative tests,

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

At this point wouldn’t it make sense to simply say on such date we’re giving all the remaining vaccines to (pick a country)
Seems there are plenty of people that want it but there’s none to give them

What is happening in Australia is shameful.
CSL down in Melbourne has a contract to manufacture 51 million doses of AZ. That will be all done by early next year - and the federal government says they wont renew the contract.
This while countries close north of us, esp PNG and Indonesia , are crying out for vaccines.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...neca/100539494

I imagine the 'PM for announcements ' will be trying to bignote himself on this issue when he comes home from Glasgow with his nuts in a sling.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Wotname

To expand on this good differentiation, I notice three types.

A. Vaccine hesitant
B. Vaccine decliners
C. Vocal and Violent Antivaccine Promoters (i.e. Rabid Antivax Ratbags, RAR).

Like 'Ping, the business A & B is no business of mine while I do not like C.

Are the RARs unAustralian (?)

Ed Zackery!

Meanwhile Scomo is reading my mind.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...28-p5945t.html

[GILow]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

At this point wouldn’t it make sense to simply say on such date we’re giving all the remaining vaccines to (pick a country)
Seems there are plenty of people that want it but there’s none to give them

Actually, there’s some sense in that.

They’ve done something similar here in South Australia. They announced that they are opening the borders on the 23rd of November, at which point this practically Covid-free state will get Covid. The chief health officer (in my opinion the most attractive of all the state chief health officers) pointed out there was still time to get vaccinated before the tsunami hits at any one of the many walk-in clinics.

I will watch with interest to see if creating a sense of urgency gets a few more of the hesitant group over the line.

For the record, having a girlfriend who works in aged care gives me very little empathy towards the anti-vax brigade. They are a real threat to her and her residents. There are enough genuine reasons to not get vaccinated without all the stupid paranoid stuff.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by GILow

Actually, there’s some sense in that.

They’ve done something similar here in South Australia. They announced that they are opening the borders on the 23rd of November, at which point this practically Covid-free state will get Covid. The chief health officer (in my opinion the most attractive of all the state chief health officers) pointed out there was still time to get vaccinated before the tsunami hits at any one of the many walk-in clinics.

I will watch with interest to see if creating a sense of urgency gets a few more of the hesitant group over the line.

For the record, having a girlfriend who works in aged care gives me very little empathy towards the anti-vax brigade. They are a real threat to her and her residents. There are enough genuine reasons to not get vaccinated without all the stupid paranoid stuff.

It seems to have worked in Tonga

'High turnout for vaccinations after Covid-19 case confirmed

Thousands of people flocked to vaccination sites in Tonga on Friday night and Saturday following news of a Covid-19 positive case in a passenger who arrived in Tonga from Christchurch on October 27.'

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...ntine-facility

[nautilee]

Originally Posted by gonesail

it is a place where the people put their trust in a government that should not be trusted

They are not locked up, they are put into isolation until they receive a negative covid test result. And if you are of the mistaken view that fully vaccinated people do not get Covid with or without symptoms and then do not pass it on to other vaccinated and unvaccinated people, then you are sadly ignorant and mis-informed.
My daughter, her husband, their 12yr old daughter- all fully vaccinated and 8yr old daughter who was considered too young to be vaccinated at that time,
and who all had been rarely leaving their home, working from home, home schooling, not out shopping, not socialising with anyone either at home or out for over 18months - very much isolated and doing it tough with all that goes with it,
including psychological issues for one of the children who was a quiet reticent little girl prior and then became very fearful of going out. So it was tough.
Schools were about to re-open with lots of precautions in place to protect the returning children, so my daughter enrolled them in a well run activities camp with similar precautions in place as a reward & to help them adjust to returning to school.
The unvaccinated 8yr old daughter came home after the 1st day with Delta and infected her vaccinated mother, father and sister. They all, including the 8yr old became quite sick but fortunately they fully recovered within a week. Altho the 8yr old had uncontrolled extremely high temperatures lasting several days. As to my daughter she was not so lucky, and she is asthmatic, she became very very ill and kept getting worse and in order to save her life she had to at day 9 subject herself to an IV infusion of a cocktail of drugs now used to assist the immune system, and which they don't give you after day 10, as its too late by then. The problem with this, as advised by the Professional Health Care Medico's, is that whilst it may be necessary to help save some (not all) lives, they do not know how it will affect her entire immune system in the weeks, months, years ahead or even permanently. She was most reluctant to go this path, but it was a case of, if you don't then you probably won't have to worry about as you won't survive. Fortunately she started to improve almost immediately, however she is still sick with breathing difficulties, foggy brain which threatens her ability to work in her legal field, lack of stamina and energy, no taste or smell altho this is slowly improving. I suppose this could be classed as Long Covid, which may remain with its victims for the rest of their lives and cost them and the whole Health System huge amounts of $, which will reduce hospitals capacities to treat patients with other regular medical issues, some of whom will unnecessarily die of heart or cancer or other illnesses.
When my daughter was treated by the hospital with this IV cocktail, she was advised that her 8yr old daughter almost certainly picked it up from an unvaccinated parent dropping their child off and because they were unvaccinated they passed a very virulent dose on to unsuspecting others, vaccinated or not. Vaccinated people with Covid usually pass on a much less virulent and dangerous dose to others.
Does that answer your silly and selfish questions ????
Just be grateful that Australia is considered a world leader in the fight against this terrible virus as our Governments, whether you like them or not, have handled this extremely well and we have had very little Covid throughout the Country.
Our Health Systems are world class and our testing rates, contact tracing and hospital care is second to none.
You could always go live in Indonesia or many other countries, perhaps you should, or swap places with a person there who would be delighted to come to Australia to have the opportunity for vaccination and treatment that they are denied in their home countries. Every street daily has at least 7 or more bodies of loved ones put out to rot until they are thrown into the back of a truck as they cant be buried by their families as cemeteries cant cope, they have to die at home as the hospitals cant cope, they have to have no treatment as there isn't any available, and there is no vaccination as yet and probably won't be for some time. Wanna swap? Please do.
Be grateful you are so lucky and stop your stupid and petty complaints.

[Group9]

Originally Posted by nautilee

They are not locked up, they are put into isolation until they receive a negative covid test result. And if you are of the mistaken view that fully vaccinated people do not get Covid with or without symptoms and then do not pass it on to other vaccinated and unvaccinated people, then you are sadly ignorant and mis-informed.
My daughter, her husband, their 12yr old daughter- all fully vaccinated and 8yr old daughter who was considered too young to be vaccinated at that time,
and who all had been rarely leaving their home, working from home, home schooling, not out shopping, not socialising with anyone either at home or out for over 18months - very much isolated and doing it tough with all that goes with it,
including psychological issues for one of the children who was a quiet reticent little girl prior and then became very fearful of going out. So it was tough.
Schools were about to re-open with lots of precautions in place to protect the returning children, so my daughter enrolled them in a well run activities camp with similar precautions in place as a reward & to help them adjust to returning to school.
The unvaccinated 8yr old daughter came home after the 1st day with Delta and infected her vaccinated mother, father and sister. They all, including the 8yr old became quite sick but fortunately they fully recovered within a week. Altho the 8yr old had uncontrolled extremely high temperatures lasting several days. As to my daughter she was not so lucky, and she is asthmatic, she became very very ill and kept getting worse and in order to save her life she had to at day 9 subject herself to an IV infusion of a cocktail of drugs now used to assist the immune system, and which they don't give you after day 10, as its too late by then. The problem with this, as advised by the Professional Health Care Medico's, is that whilst it may be necessary to help save some (not all) lives, they do not know how it will affect her entire immune system in the weeks, months, years ahead or even permanently. She was most reluctant to go this path, but it was a case of, if you don't then you probably won't have to worry about as you won't survive. Fortunately she started to improve almost immediately, however she is still sick with breathing difficulties, foggy brain which threatens her ability to work in her legal field, lack of stamina and energy, no taste or smell altho this is slowly improving. I suppose this could be classed as Long Covid, which may remain with its victims for the rest of their lives and cost them and the whole Health System huge amounts of $, which will reduce hospitals capacities to treat patients with other regular medical issues, some of whom will unnecessarily die of heart or cancer or other illnesses.
When my daughter was treated by the hospital with this IV cocktail, she was advised that her 8yr old daughter almost certainly picked it up from an unvaccinated parent dropping their child off and because they were unvaccinated they passed a very virulent dose on to unsuspecting others, vaccinated or not. Vaccinated people with Covid usually pass on a much less virulent and dangerous dose to others.
Does that answer your silly and selfish questions ????
Just be grateful that Australia is considered a world leader in the fight against this terrible virus as our Governments, whether you like them or not, have handled this extremely well and we have had very little Covid throughout the Country.
Our Health Systems are world class and our testing rates, contact tracing and hospital care is second to none.
You could always go live in Indonesia or many other countries, perhaps you should, or swap places with a person there who would be delighted to come to Australia to have the opportunity for vaccination and treatment that they are denied in their home countries. Every street daily has at least 7 or more bodies of loved ones put out to rot until they are thrown into the back of a truck as they cant be buried by their families as cemeteries cant cope, they have to die at home as the hospitals cant cope, they have to have no treatment as there isn't any available, and there is no vaccination as yet and probably won't be for some time. Wanna swap? Please do.
Be grateful you are so lucky and stop your stupid and petty complaints.

Definitely crossing Australia off the "places to see list" after hearing that description of life down under. You're right. That sounds horrible.

[El Pinguino]

Rabid antivax ratbag protester faces $45,000 fine and 12 months in the slammer.

That will teach him!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...28-p5943a.html

Maybe they could also give him a damn good flogging.

[El Pinguino]

And also , first quarantine free flight - one of 16 due to arrive today - landed in Sydney 90 minutes ago.