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Old 24-11-2021, 05:11   #1
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New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

New study of the effects of the jab published in the journal "Circulation".

The last sentence of the abstract:

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We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy and other vascular events following vaccination.
You can read the essay or watch the video. Link to the original is in the video


https://vernoncoleman.org/videos/fin...vid-jab-murder

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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

See that and raise ya one fact based vid...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/11/...dical-history/

• Data suggest 1 in 317 boys aged 16 to 17 will get myocarditis from the COVID shots, and after a third booster, that number may be even higher.

• VAERS reporting is likely underreported by a factor of 41. Since there are over 8,000 domestic deaths reported to VAERS, and 98% of those deaths are “excess deaths,” this suggests that as many as 300,000 Americans may have died from the COVID shots thus far.

• Calculations based on government data from 35% of the world’s population suggest we’re killing approximately 411 people per million doses on average. Moderna and Pfizer are both two-dose regimens, which pushes this to 822 deaths per million fully vaccinated. And that’s just the short-term mortality. We still have no concept of how these shots might impact mortality and morbidity in the longer term.

• An Italian investigation found that if the COVID mortality definition were changed to only include those cases where there were no preexisting comorbidities, the mortality from COVID comes out to just 2.9% of the overall reported number. This suggests that if a COVID death was redefined to being a death actually “from” COVID rather than “with” COVID, the death count could be substantially smaller than 760,000 deaths and may be smaller than the number killed by the vaccines.

• The deadliest vaccine ever made is the smallpox vaccine, which killed 1 in 1 million vaccinated people. The COVID shots kills 822 per million fully vaccinated, making it more than 800 times deadlier than the deadliest vaccine in human history.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

The website, to which longjonsilver directs us, is titled:
Finally! Medical Proof the Covid Jab is “Murder”

The “study” that the website promotes is:
“Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning” ~ by Steven R Gundry*
Abstract ➥ https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1....suppl_1.10712

* Steven R Gundry is best known for his disputed claims that lectins, a type of plant protein found in numerous foods, cause inflammation resulting in many modern diseases.[5] His Plant Paradox diet suggests avoiding all foods containing lectins.[6] Scientists and dieticians have classified Gundry's claims about lectins as pseudoscience. He sells supplements that he claims protect against or reverse the supposedly damaging effects of lectins.
https://www.gripeo.com/dr-steven-gundry/
https://theskepticalcardiologist.com...steven-gundry/
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Old 24-11-2021, 05:43   #4
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

BS

Where in the 'essay' is a link to the actual paper? What is the mechanism that causes the 'symptoms' described.

A self-description of 'The Light Paper', from whose editor, Darren Smith, this dangerous disinformation apparently originated,

"Nov 12, 2021 — The Light is an independently distributed truthpaper, exposing corruption and crimes by governments, corporations and individuals."

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Don't waste your time, or contribute to their existance by giving them ad money by clicking on their site.


The Guardian puts it another way,

How an anti-lockdown 'truthpaper' bypasses online factcheckers

Self-published newspaper uses Facebook and Twitter to recruit volunteers and increase reach

"The outlet, which has published three issues since it first appeared in September, draws heavily on the gloop of long-running online conspiracies about a new world order, which have attached themselves to the current pandemic. Among other things it encourages people to stop wearing masks and disobey lockdown on the basis that the coronavirus is a hoax.

It has been formed as a reaction to attempts by major tech platforms to clamp down on coronavirus disinformation - but the same tech outlets also help enable its reach: the Light’s distribution relies on a 5,000-strong private Facebook group where volunteers offer to hand out copies and post them through their neighbours’ doors."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-fact-checkers


This is Wkipedia's description of Vernon Coleman (the fvideos author), a charlatan and quack 'Dr' more interested in relieving the gullible of their funds rather than from their ailments.


"Vernon Coleman (born 18 May 1946) is an English conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccination activist, AIDS denialist, blogger and novelist who writes on topics related to human health, politics and animal issues.

Coleman's medical claims have been widely discredited and described as pseudoscientific. He was formerly a newspaper columnist and general practitioner."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Coleman

Such crap has no place here, or anywhere else; it's perpetrators should be censured.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

Google "incidence of cardiac side effects of Covid Vaccine". Look at reputable sources and make your decision.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

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The website, to which longjonsilver directs us, is titled:
Finally! Medical Proof the Covid Jab is “Murder”

The “study” that the website promotes is:
“Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning” ~ by Steven R Gundry*
Abstract ➥ https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1....suppl_1.10712

* Steven R Gundry is best known for his disputed claims that lectins, a type of plant protein found in numerous foods, cause inflammation resulting in many modern diseases.[5] His Plant Paradox diet suggests avoiding all foods containing lectins.[6] Scientists and dieticians have classified Gundry's claims about lectins as pseudoscience. He sells supplements that he claims protect against or reverse the supposedly damaging effects of lectins.
https://www.gripeo.com/dr-steven-gundry/
https://theskepticalcardiologist.com...steven-gundry/

Thanks GordMay!
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Old 24-11-2021, 06:16   #7
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

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See that and raise ya one fact based vid...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/11/...dical-history/....
More disinformation in a slightly more sophisticated disguise.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

Ah, our friends the anti-vaxxers are back.


You know, you folks don't get out enough. You should go to Idaho or maybe Upper Michigan and mingle with all of your like-minded friends.



Get really close to them. Crowd into an enclosed room, hug, kiss, talk into each other's faces. And don't believe Fauci, Biden and all of the others who say that's dangerous behavior.


You know better. After all, you read it on the Internet and saw Tucker Carlson say it on Fox News.



So go ahead. Prove us wrong as the winter surge grows in strength. You know all of those death numbers are made up and that people really are dying from the vaccines.


That means your wisdom is protecting you. You have nothing to worry about, even though you're not vaccinated and engage in dangerous behavior.



And have your next of kin let us on CF know how that all turned out.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

I love that the 'medical reference' links (vernoncoleman and lewrockwell) refer to the vaccine as a 'jab'. Very scientific. Both are unknown sources with no credibility.

The LewReockwell site claims the purpose of the site is "to help carry on the anti-war, anti-state, pro-market work of Murray N. Rothbard." The same site then goes on to give Murray N. Rothbard credit as the founder of Libertarianism. Which is excellent since the term was first coined and discussed in 1789 by William Belsham (While Mr Rothbard was born in 1926.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

Let's agree that those FOR vaccination, masks, and/or social distancing will NEVER convince those opposed to get vaccinated, wear masks, or socially distance themselves. Likewise, if your Anti-vax, anti-mask, or anti-social distancing, you're not going to convince people to abstain.

This reminds me of the difference between atheists and evangelicals.........atheists don't waste their time trying to convert those who believe.

Regardless of what you believe, don't waste your time on your soapbox preaching to the choir. You will change nobody's opinion. The only people who want to listen to your nonsense already agree with you. Those who don't agree with you, don't want to listen to you.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

As one who’s been vaccinated, and as a result suffered cardio problems, I don’t brush this off. I also got covid six months after the vax. I’d like to see some real data, and some real scientific studies. As a new vax, I’d expect there to be issues. This should be acknowledged, studied, and shared.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

It's so disheartening to see CF become a source of so much disinformation with regard to Covid-19 and the vaccines.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

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As one who’s been vaccinated, and as a result suffered cardio problems, I don’t brush this off. I also got covid six months after the vax. I’d like to see some real data, and some real scientific studies. As a new vax, I’d expect there to be issues. This should be acknowledged, studied, and shared.

I don't brush this off, and believe it or not, I was acquainted with a young family man who did die this year from heart problems brought on by vaccination (so you have my sincere hope that you have or will recover fully) ... but it's also abundantly clear that junk articles like that posted by the OP help no-one, spread misinformation, and obscure the overall success of vaccination. Unfortunately, if the current surges in Europe are instructive, the US is in for a rough winter.
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Re: New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

Here is what we should be thinking about.
1) The majority of people in hospital ICUs (in the US) have COVID. This is taking critical ICU space away from those who need it and don't have COVID.
2) Certain health conditions lead to a higher death rate, with or without compounding factors. These include diabetes, CV disease, Kidney disease, and others. So, given this let's remember that the Flu kills (when added to above patient population).
3) We all just want to get back to some sense of normalcy and while maybe 800 in a million die from the COVID vax, many many more are dying from COVID who weren't vaccinated (not to mention the incredible strain they are putting on the healthcare system).


Not quoting any sources as you will just reply with conflicting ones.
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Ah, our friends the anti-vaxxers are back.

You know, you folks don't get out enough. You should go to Idaho or maybe Upper Michigan and mingle with all of your like-minded friends.
Ah, the ad hominen attack. Perhaps you should get out more. When one makes an ad hominem attack it usually indicates that they have little of value to say.

There is a difference between an anti-vaxxer and one who is opposed to this shot. Anti-vaxxers are against vaccines in general. Most who are opposed to this shot argue that the shot is not needed and have concerns about its safety.

Many people, including a lot of doctors and scientists, have legitimate concerns about this mRNA shot. It is not a vaccine since it does not and was not designed to prevent the acquisition nor spread of the virus. It was however designed to mitigate the symptoms. For this reason, there may be value for those at risk to get it. For the general population there is little need since the risks are extremely low. The reality is that each person needs to decide for themselves whether the risks outweigh the touted benefits of the shot.
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