Mexican Navy vaccinated us

[HeinSdL]

Originally Posted by ixnax

I think the vaccines are exactly what they were made out to be:

1). one tool amongst others to help get the R0 number <1. At that point each infected person will transmit infection to less than one other and the pandemic may be broken.

2). A way to slow transmission so as to avoid overwhelming our hospitals and ICU's with Covid patients.

Agreed with the sentiments, it's one tool of many.

I would nevertheless like to respond to the argument of not overwhelming the medical system as an important reason behind the various policy decisions. The number of ICUs in for example The Netherlands, where I am from, has been on a declining trajectory for decades due to consistent, massive cost cutting and now, almost 2 years into this pandemic, nothing has been done to reverse this decline. Yet handing EUR4b to KLM was a done deal from the get go, probably because the Dutch state thought it would be cool to be a shareholder of said airline a few years earlier, to match the prestige of the French govt, and to suffer a total loss on their investment due to Covid would be... embarrassing.

In Switzerland, where I reside, the shortage of ICUs again is the main reason behind policy decisions yet here the number of ICUs are actually being cut back as we speak.

https://insideparadeplatz.ch/2021/08...eid=90b9885a55

So by all means, protect the health care system, but perhaps give 'm some cash & equipment so they can do their job. Like in the UK where (sarcasm alert) the nurses got a massive pay rise the other day.

[Hydro]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Are you being serious with this question??? Nobody anywhere in North America (including Mexico) is being forced to be vaccinated.

What is your definition of being forced?
A lot of states/countries are indirectly "forcing" public servants to be vaccinated. Law, education/teachers, healthcare, various levels of government, students/colleges/universities etc...

If you don't want to be employed anymore than yeah, your not "forced".
However, people generally want to continue to receive paychecks and benefits.
Not sure all those thousands of employees/students are at "retirement" age or have significant savings for retirement.

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by Hydro

What is your definition of being forced?
A lot of states/countries are indirectly "forcing" public servants to be vaccinated. Law, education/teachers, healthcare, various levels of government, students/colleges/universities etc...

If you don't want to be employed anymore than yeah, your not "forced".
However, people generally want to continue to receive paychecks and benefits.
Not sure all those thousands of employees/students are at "retirement" age or have significant savings for retirement.

I'm not going to debate this because it is a hot button issue for some folks but not one single person is being forced. Everyone is given a free choice. Now, some choices do come with consequences.

[JPA Cate]

This thread, basically about a form of international cooperation, was taken over by political posturing and ranting. Therefore, it has been closed. There are plenty of other forums for political chat. CF is primarily a forum for discussion of matters related to sailing and cruising.

Be aware, there is some feeling among some of the moderators that there should be no political posting whatsoever on CF. The group is growing, because people have been excessive in the way they express opinions. The Covid Forum could quickly be excised to the possibly 3 helpful threads in it.

Please post respectfully and politely.

Ann