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garyfdl · 02-04-2020, 07:51

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Originally Posted by hpeer

And since my boat IS my home?

What part of "stay" home don't you understand?

**hpeer** · 02-04-2020, 08:13

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Originally Posted by garyfdl

What part of "stay" home don't you understand?

The part where you have an belligerent attitude.

thinwater · 02-04-2020, 08:15

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Originally Posted by garyfdl

Yeah, it does "stick in my craw" - because some yahoo will read that and think: "if he can do it, so can I" - and because I have family who are on the front lines dealing with this mess and our hope is that when (not if) she gets sick, she can survive.

There is no "zero risk".

Stay at home.

I'm not a denier, I swear. I'm staying in.

People will be going back to work at some point this summer, after the peak but while the infection risk is nearly or about what it is now. The economy and their empty wallets will demand it. Even now, a large portion of the population works every day, at jobs required to keep the rest of us comfortable staying at home. I'm not sayin' whether this is good or bad, I'm just sayin' it will happen, like the weatherman predicting rain.

I'm guessing there won't be an "all clear" for a very long time. Waves of infection will slosh back and forth across the world for a year or more. More likely, the stay-at-home orders will taper off, but we will still be encouraged to social distance. It will be interesting to see what that looks like. People forget. People will weary of the message.

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garyfdl · 02-04-2020, 08:23

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Originally Posted by hpeer

The part where you have an belligerent attitude.

Sorry, I don't suffer fools well.

Dsanduril · 02-04-2020, 08:25

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Originally Posted by garyfdl

What part of "stay" home don't you understand?

The part of stay that has extremely dubious exceptions inserted for the benefit of industry lobbyists or political friends. It's OK to ignore stay in Maryland to get on head boat to go fishing. It's OK in California to go to work if you work in construction. Really? 10 or 50 or 100 construction workers, side-by-side, sharing 3 Porta-Johns that get cleaned once a week and have a foot-pump hand washing station that is so gross no one ever uses it? Can't think of a better way to spread a disease. If anyone wants us to not question stay when I can demonstrably get out and about with very close to zero additional risk to myself or anyone else then they need to stop pandering to political interests with their stay orders.

letsgetsailing3 · 02-04-2020, 08:29

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Originally Posted by garyfdl

What part of "stay" home don't you understand?

Yeah, unfortunately we may be closer to the 7/10 that means we extend the crisis, instead of the 8/10 that we need to flatten the curve.

Too much exception, not enough rule. Not enough easy testing. Too many folks who think they're exceptions or invincible. Not the complete shutdown we need. We're still playing from behind. We'll get there, but there will be more pain first.

Bill Gates has an excellent grip on what we need to do. Sadly, we're not doing it. Means a steeper curve, and sadly, more deaths. Also, longer before businesses can successfully re-open.

Florida count now: 7717 confirmed positives, 1,058 hospital admissions, 128 deaths.

**hpeer** · 02-04-2020, 08:41

As a live aboard cruiser staying in Dominica I can assure anyone here MY stay is a whole lot stricter than your stay.

And should I NEED to come back to the USA I will surely be making great leaps backwards in my personal safety and protection. Many of us here are appalled at the General USA attitude towards isolation.

I don’t need lectures from some arm chair about what “stay” means. Way too much of the “Master” talking to a dog for my liking.

Everyone’s view of the world is informed by their personal view point. For far too many it is their ONLY view point.

garyfdl · 02-04-2020, 08:53

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Originally Posted by hpeer

As a live aboard cruiser staying in Dominica I can assure anyone here MY stay is a whole lot stricter than your stay.

And should I NEED to come back to the USA I will surely be making great leaps backwards in my personal safety and protection. Many of us here are appalled at the General USA attitude towards isolation.

I don’t need lectures from some arm chair about what “stay” means. Way too much of the “Master” talking to a dog for my liking.

Everyone’s view of the world is informed by their personal view point. For far too many it is their ONLY view point.

So, given that what is occurring here in the US does not effect or apply to you, what then was the point of your original post, just to prove you're a troll?

garyfdl · 02-04-2020, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Dsanduril

The part of stay that has extremely dubious exceptions inserted for the benefit of industry lobbyists or political friends. It's OK to ignore stay in Maryland to get on head boat to go fishing. It's OK in California to go to work if you work in construction. Really? 10 or 50 or 100 construction workers, side-by-side, sharing 3 Porta-Johns that get cleaned once a week and have a foot-pump hand washing station that is so gross no one ever uses it? Can't think of a better way to spread a disease. If anyone wants us to not question stay when I can demonstrably get out and about with very close to zero additional risk to myself or anyone else then they need to stop pandering to political interests with their stay orders.

You obviously don't understand the intent of "stay-at-home".

**GordMay** · 02-04-2020, 09:15

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... to be a welcome relief from other bickering!

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That's because on that debate you absolutely KNOW you are on the right side

Brings some well-known aphorisms to mind:
It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.
When I was younger I could remember anything, whether it happened or not; but I am getting old, and soon I shall remember only the latter.
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.

bailsout · 02-04-2020, 09:27

What ArmyDaveNY says.

Montanan · 02-04-2020, 09:34

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Originally Posted by hpeer

And since my boat IS my home?

There is really no question. Boat is home, stay on boat. Follow quarantine / lockdown protocols as established by the jurisdiction the boat is located. Limit travel to essential travel only, e.g., dinghy to shore to obtain requisite provisions [food, medicine], then return to boat; maintain proper social distancing.

Godspeed.

garyfdl · 02-04-2020, 09:34

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Originally Posted by bailsout

What ArmyDaveNY says.

I suggest you vet his comments before you agree...

Dsanduril · 02-04-2020, 09:50

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Originally Posted by garyfdl

You obviously don't understand the intent of "stay-at-home".

Actually, I do understand the intent of "stay-at-home". The intent is to reduce the risk that I will a) transmit the Covid-19 virus to others outside my immediate living arrangement if I have it and am infectious, or b) receive the virus from others outside my immediate living arrangement.

There is absolutely no reason I can't meet the intent while being outside my home. And going sailing on my own boat by myself or with my immediate living arrangement members is lower risk than the allowed activities of shopping, etc. And certainly lower risk than the exceptions in the stay-at-home orders.