For gods sake - Get vaccinated

[Dsanduril]

Originally Posted by sailingunity

...VAERS reports about 13,000 deaths from vaccines since the COVID vaccine was introduced, ....

VAERS reports nothing of the sort. VAERS has entries of ~13,000 deaths following receiving a COVID vaccine but has zero data on the cause of those deaths.

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by jedijd

As to the argument regarding non-treatment of those who choose not to get vaccinated...I'm fine with that. However, I just want a level playing field for other decisions...let's not treat drivers who don't wear seatbelts, motorcyclists with no helmets, obese people who continue to eat, smokers, etc. To the response "I can't catch fat from fat people" I respectfully submit, you are unlikely to catch Covid from me, either. Make your own decisions. If you want to vax, vax. Still worried about it? Wear a hazmat suit.

Buy the way, I agree that there is some argument for those that chose to ignore basic safety like seat belts and helmets to suffer some consequences. Of course to deny medical care would be unconscionable but perhaps mandatory medical insurance or financial penalties could be appropriate.

Regarding your comment about catching fat or Covid, specious argument. You certainly know that it is impossible to catch obesity from another but transmission from others is the only way people get Covid.

[sv_pelagia]

As Timothy Caulfield says: "Humans are terrible at risk assessment.... And that kind of risk influences our decision-making throughout the day."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...ilet-1.5840449

Something that is routinely evident in the erroneous posts in this thread (and other covid-19 related threads).


[Tim Caulfield is the Canada research chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta, and author of the new book, Relax Dammit! A User's Guide to the Age of Anxiety. (Penguin Random House; Matt Barnes)]

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by ohdrinkboy

So the 60% of blacks and 55% of latinos that are unvaxed in the US are far right?

Didn't ya know.. that's how Trump racked up 74 million votes..

[Bunter]

Originally Posted by Capt. Ray

So ludicrous. The COVID "jabs" are vaccines according to global drug and medical authorities. Your credibility, therefore, is zero.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Here is the CDC's definition of a vaccine.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

The COVID-19 "vaccine" (inoculation) DOES NOT protect the individual from the disease. It lessens the severity of the symptoms.

Definition of inoculation
1: the act or process or an instance of inoculating
especially : the introduction of a pathogen or antigen into a living organism to stimulate the production of antibodies

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inoculation

[Ardbeg]

Originally Posted by GordMay

In Canada, we have a highway called the “Trans Canada Highway”; but I think that identity was assigned at birth.

Brilliant Gord!

[GreenWave]

Originally Posted by chico17

Could you please keep the subject matter in the forum confined to sailing. If you want to discuss medical or political issues you can find another outlet. Thanks

Except for the fact that where the OP posted is a part of the forum for "stuff" and "COVID stuff" in this case. And IMO it is related to sailing because COVID has disrupted the ability to sail and get service to some degree. Supply chain constraints is a great example.

[GreenWave]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

As I often say in these discussions, choices come with consequences. I absolutely oppose mandatory vaccinations. That is a moral and practical Pandora's Box that we should never open. But all choices come with consequences. In this case, unvaccinated people will face limitations on where and how they can participate in the broader society, at least until the pandemic is over.

This is nothing new. Many areas and institutions limit the access of unvaccinated people during outbreaks of other diseases. The only difference here is that a pandemic means the outbreak is everywhere.

Do you support strict mandates and limits on what the unvaxxed can do or not do?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by chico17

Could you please keep the subject matter in the forum confined to sailing. If you want to discuss medical or political issues you can find another outlet. Thanks

Small chance.. the Righteous never miss a chance to get on a roll.. even invoking figments of ancient imaginations that are held to be true..
Its the Spanish Inquisition..

[ShinyHappy]

Originally Posted by Davy J

Um, there is a point, maybe you haven't been paying attention:

News stories from this morning 8/25/21:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...us/8235925002/

Vrabel added that he is currently in quarantine. Like all Titans coaches who work with players, he is fully vaccinated.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...preseason-game


Succop is fully vaccinated. When asked if there were any other close contacts that would need to be monitored, Arians replied, "No."

The vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna at least) don't prevent you from being infected - they essentially teach your body how to react to the virus to prevent it from multiplying inside you. So if and when you contract it, your body is able to fight off the virus before it kills you. In some people, that may mean they feel nothing. In others, it may mean some minor symptoms like a stuffy nose. But the vast majority of people aren't sick enough to require a hospital stay or an ICU bed. That doesn't take into consideration the other long-term effects associated with this virus.

In this case, the quarantine is to prevent him from spreading his active case.

The argument I believe you're trying to make isn't valid. People will still get Covid, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. The difference is the effects of the virus being much more severe for the unvaccinated.

[Rigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Shrew

I'll preface this with, I agree with your overall viewpoint, however,

1) Don't do it for "god's" sake (Let's not bring religion into this). Do it for humanity's sake.

2) Prefacing a inflammatory discussion or statement with "Not to offend.." doesn't absolve you from offending people.

3) Stop and consider this..... Will an anti-vaxxer EVER convince you NOT to get a vaccine? What makes you think you will convince an antivaxxer to get vaccinated??

Those who want it, get it. Those who don't......won't, regardless of how frustrating that might be to some.

This sounds about right

[GreenWave]

Originally Posted by Bunter

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Here is the CDC's definition of a vaccine.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

The COVID-19 "vaccine" (inoculation) DOES NOT protect the individual from the disease. It lessens the severity of the symptoms.

I don't agree with your statement above. It does both.. It helps prevent you from getting it <at a detectable and impactful level> and if you do get it then lessens the severity.

[conchaway]

If you are trying to make a point, it will go better if you don't be misleading-- the death rate from Covid nationwide is, PERCENTAGE WISE, about the same as deaths from diabetes. Don't take my word for it. Look up the factual numbers.

[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

If you prefer to discuss sailing, perhaps you should look at a sailing thread rather than a covid thread.

If you face the issues of sailing destinations other than coast hopping or dock queens you must realize how critical this is to sailing.

We spent the entire last season sailing circles around Antigua and Barbuda. Travel to any other East Caribbean island was impossible and/or crazy expensive and involved quarantines 1-2 weeks each time. The only place to get a PCR was an expensive taxi ride to the hospital where the sick people were including 7 of their doctors. PCR test $250 US each. Destination islands required advanced applications, PCR on arrival, quarantine, sometimes second PCR, sometimes an agent. The island economies are in disaster. The only plus side was that we have an entire season with almost no wear on equipment. We needn’t have applied bottom paint. Many important destinations are still off limits. This is the end to cruising and much tourism. Antigua has made a point of opening to tourists but their many resorts are empty.

The effects on fragile economies is terminal. Beyond our puny hedonistic need, ecotourism has catastrophically ended in places where it is essential to survival of people. In safari land, animals that have no economic value are being eaten. We see even in Antigua, local fishermen poaching undersized and out of season species with impunity.

Not getting vaccinated is not your personal political statement. If you don’t do your part to fix the problem then you are the problem. You are road block to the future and a drain on the medical infrastructure, taking other necessary services away from people who need knees, valve jobs, transplants etc.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Bunter

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Here is the CDC's definition of a vaccine.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

The COVID-19 "vaccine" (inoculation) DOES NOT protect the individual from the disease. It lessens the severity of the symptoms.

Pure sophistry. A bulletproof vest doesn't protect you from being shot at; it reduces the probability of a shot killing or greatly injuring you. That's protection. Same with the COVID vaccines - they almost completely eliminate the chance of being severely ill or dying from COVID. That's protection too.

And the vaccines also reduce transmission, and the likelihood of catching COVID, as I linked to earlier.