Cruising from Spain to Turkey during this virus?!?!

[Montanan]

FYI Recent update:

Tariffs on USA boats remains in place
Published on March 9th, 2021

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2...ains-in-place/

A recent agreement between the USA and the European Union (EU) approved a four month pause on tariffs related to the World Trade Organization (WTO) Aircraft disputes, but it did not address the U.S. Section 232 tariffs on steel and aluminum or the 25 percent retaliatory tariff on American boat exports to the EU.

According to the National Marine Manufacturers Association, the EU retaliatory tariff on American made boats are set to increase to 50 percent on June 1, 2021. Since the 25 percent retaliatory tariff went into effect in 2018, American boat exports to the EU — the industry’s second largest international market — have decreased by 42 percent.

VAT will be on the CIF plus 25% [or 50%] duty.

[Montanan]

Disappointing announcement, harsh reality.

Today's news: Wed, March 31, 2021, 12:29 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-or...182915211.html

PARIS (Reuters) - President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday night ordered France into its third national lockdown and said schools would close for three weeks as he sought to push back a third wave of COVID-19 infections that threatens to overwhelm hospitals. His announcement means that movement restrictions already in place for more than a week in Paris, and some northern and southern regions, will now apply to the whole country for at least a month, from Saturday.


Snipets from his national address:

As to the future:

"Seeking to offer hope, Macron said the April lockdown and a swifter vaccination campaign may allow the slow re-opening of the country from mid-May, starting with some cultural venues, museums and the outdoor terraces of bars and restaurants." 'under strict rules' and a calendar drawn up for a progressive reopening of other facilities.

From Saturday, all of mainland France will be under a 7 p.m. curfew, working from home will be expected from those that can, with domestic travel restricted and gatherings will be limited, non-essential shops will be closed, and travel restrictions will be imposed.
This brings the whole country in line with 19 virus hot-spot territories, and cities like Paris, which have had a limited lockdown imposed for the past two weeks.

'The epidemic is accelerating, and we are likely to lose control, so we must find a new way of reacting. We must therefore set ourselves a new framework for the coming months,'

the 'British variant' for creating 'a pandemic inside a pandemic' that was more contagious and 'more deadly.'

We are faced with a new situation,' he said. 'We are involved in a race. Propagation of a new variant that was identified by our British neighbours' must be dealt with.'

Current efforts to limit the virus 'were too limited at a time when the epidemic is accelerating'. The spread of the variant meant 'we risk losing control'

"Thanks to the vaccine, the way out of the crisis is emerging,' Macron announced that the vaccine drive would be open to all those over 60 from April 16 and those over 50 from May 15.

Other Gleanings:

The president said non-essential shops would remain shut, along with businesses such as cafes, bars, and restaurants. The French finance ministry said the new lockdown would see 150,000 businesses close nationwide,

Under the restrictions, people are allowed to go outside for leisure, but only within a 6 miles radius from their homes - and without gathering.

[DougSabbag]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Disappointing announcement, harsh reality.

Today's news: Wed, March 31, 2021, 12:29 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-or...182915211.html

PARIS (Reuters) - President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday night ordered France into its third national lockdown and said schools would close for three weeks as he sought to push back a third wave of COVID-19 infections that threatens to overwhelm hospitals. His announcement means that movement restrictions already in place for more than a week in Paris, and some northern and southern regions, will now apply to the whole country for at least a month, from Saturday.


Snipets from his national address:

As to the future:

"Seeking to offer hope, Macron said the April lockdown and a swifter vaccination campaign may allow the slow re-opening of the country from mid-May, starting with some cultural venues, museums and the outdoor terraces of bars and restaurants." 'under strict rules' and a calendar drawn up for a progressive reopening of other facilities.

From Saturday, all of mainland France will be under a 7 p.m. curfew, working from home will be expected from those that can, with domestic travel restricted and gatherings will be limited, non-essential shops will be closed, and travel restrictions will be imposed.
This brings the whole country in line with 19 virus hot-spot territories, and cities like Paris, which have had a limited lockdown imposed for the past two weeks.

'The epidemic is accelerating, and we are likely to lose control, so we must find a new way of reacting. We must therefore set ourselves a new framework for the coming months,'

the 'British variant' for creating 'a pandemic inside a pandemic' that was more contagious and 'more deadly.'

We are faced with a new situation,' he said. 'We are involved in a race. Propagation of a new variant that was identified by our British neighbours' must be dealt with.'

Current efforts to limit the virus 'were too limited at a time when the epidemic is accelerating'. The spread of the variant meant 'we risk losing control'

"Thanks to the vaccine, the way out of the crisis is emerging,' Macron announced that the vaccine drive would be open to all those over 60 from April 16 and those over 50 from May 15.

Other Gleanings:

The president said non-essential shops would remain shut, along with businesses such as cafes, bars, and restaurants. The French finance ministry said the new lockdown would see 150,000 businesses close nationwide,

Under the restrictions, people are allowed to go outside for leisure, but only within a 6 miles radius from their homes - and without gathering.

The Tariffs you're talking about apply to boats being imported for sale. If we remained in the EU for longer than 18 months we would be charged a VAT tax. We will make a point of checking out and then back in every 17 months.
Thank you for your extensive posting about issues which don't apply to us.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by DougSabbag

And, our boat is not being 'imported' for sale. It is being Transported.

Can you use a non VAT paid boat in a business in Croatia?
Have you checked that with your Croatian accountant?

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Anders

Can you use a non VAT paid boat in a business in Croatia?
Have you checked that with your Croatian accountant?

VAT and duty will be due if the boat is an asset of a company doing business in Croatia [or the EU] if the boat enters Croatian waters or enters EU territory.

VAT and duty would also be due if the owner(s) establish residency in Croatian and the boat resides or enters EU territory.

Croatia has been a member of the EU since July 1, 2013 hence the present retaliatory tariff on importation of boats from the USA would apply and be added to the CIF value of the boat for determination of VAT. The retaliatory tariff is in addition to the standard tariff.

VAT and duty will not be presently due, if the boat enters under temporary admission status, e.g., for tourism purposes. The issue is that tourism is not an essential purpose for entry of persons to the EU under the Covid protocols. There in lies the rub.

The boat can readily enter and an 18 month clock for discharge engages upon first arrival and it can await its crew to be granted entry. If there is a change in status of the residency or of the business / non-business purpose of the asset then temporary admission status could be disallowed triggering an significant financial cost. After June 21, 2021 the amount of VAT that could become due will be based on a percentage the summed value of: the boat, the cost of its delivery to the EU, the cost of the insurance coverage for delivery, plus a duty of 50% and the standard duty % of the prior summed values. VAT will depend on which country is deemed the place of first applicability and will be around 20% on such CIF & Duty value.

Covid makes international travel [including to the EU] difficult and the tariff war that Trump invoked has resulted in retaliatory tariffs which makes importation of specific goods [such as yachts] from America financially burdensome. There has been some easing of retaliatory tariffs but not yet on yachts. Difficult times.

Croatia is not a member of the Schengen so the 90 days in any rolling 180 day period applies to foreign residents [non-EU citizens] of Croatia. Whereas Croatia has its own similar 90 days in any rolling 180 day short stay visa, from which the pursuit of residency in Croatia can resolve for time spent in Croatia.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by Montanan

VAT and duty will be due if the boat is an asset of a company doing business in Croatia [or the EU] if the boat enters Croatian waters or enters EU territory.

VAT and duty would also be due if the owner(s) establish residency in Croatian and the boat resides or enters EU territory.
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That's what I would expect but there are exceptions for example the charter boats in Greece are are usually not VAT paid. Another problem is that boats imported to the EU needs to be RCD compliant or excempt and the 3rd big problem is to get a local company set up and to minimise Croatian taxes as much as possible.

[DougSabbag]

Originally Posted by Anders

That's what I would expect but there are exceptions for example the charter boats in Greece are are usually not VAT paid. Another problem is that boats imported to the EU needs to be RCD compliant or excempt and the 3rd big problem is to get a local company set up and to minimise Croatian taxes as much as possible.

From what I've seen, we can do chartering but must charge an additional 15% for a tax. To avoid the sales tax, we must check out of Croatia, the EU, before 18 months has elapsed.

[Anders]

The tax is probably VAT and you will most likely have to setup a Croatian company to deal with it. Never done any business in Croatia but setting up and registering a company can take a while.
18 months is for temporary admission but I beleive that's only for private use, not for running a charter business.

[DougSabbag]

Originally Posted by Montanan

FYI Recent update:

Tariffs on USA boats remains in place
Published on March 9th, 2021

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2...ains-in-place/

A recent agreement between the USA and the European Union (EU) approved a four month pause on tariffs related to the World Trade Organization (WTO) Aircraft disputes, but it did not address the U.S. Section 232 tariffs on steel and aluminum or the 25 percent retaliatory tariff on American boat exports to the EU.

According to the National Marine Manufacturers Association, the EU retaliatory tariff on American made boats are set to increase to 50 percent on June 1, 2021. Since the 25 percent retaliatory tariff went into effect in 2018, American boat exports to the EU — the industry’s second largest international market — have decreased by 42 percent.

VAT will be on the CIF plus 25% [or 50%] duty.

We are not impoting our boat to Europe to sell it. All this Tariff info is unrelated to us. Believe it.

[DougSabbag]

Originally Posted by Anders

The tax is probably VAT and you will most likely have to setup a Croatian company to deal with it. Never done any business in Croatia but setting up and registering a company can take a while.
18 months is for temporary admission but I beleive that's only for private use, not for running a charter business.

We've looked into this. Yes, the tax our guests pay will be the VAT tax. I set up a US Corporation in about an hour, so believe me, I have those issues identified and will address them. But, these issues aren't what I was asking about for this thread!
I am asking about cruisers / sailors currently in Europe dealing with the virus rules. Specifically, going from country to country via your own boat.

[DougSabbag]

Originally Posted by Montanan

VAT and duty will be due if the boat is an asset of a company doing business in Croatia [or the EU] if the boat enters Croatian waters or enters EU territory.

VAT and duty would also be due if the owner(s) establish residency in Croatian and the boat resides or enters EU territory.

Croatia has been a member of the EU since July 1, 2013 hence the present retaliatory tariff on importation of boats from the USA would apply and be added to the CIF value of the boat for determination of VAT. The retaliatory tariff is in addition to the standard tariff.

VAT and duty will not be presently due, if the boat enters under temporary admission status, e.g., for tourism purposes. The issue is that tourism is not an essential purpose for entry of persons to the EU under the Covid protocols. There in lies the rub.

The boat can readily enter and an 18 month clock for discharge engages upon first arrival and it can await its crew to be granted entry. If there is a change in status of the residency or of the business / non-business purpose of the asset then temporary admission status could be disallowed triggering an significant financial cost. After June 21, 2021 the amount of VAT that could become due will be based on a percentage the summed value of: the boat, the cost of its delivery to the EU, the cost of the insurance coverage for delivery, plus a duty of 50% and the standard duty % of the prior summed values. VAT will depend on which country is deemed the place of first applicability and will be around 20% on such CIF & Duty value.

Covid makes international travel [including to the EU] difficult and the tariff war that Trump invoked has resulted in retaliatory tariffs which makes importation of specific goods [such as yachts] from America financially burdensome. There has been some easing of retaliatory tariffs but not yet on yachts. Difficult times.

Croatia is not a member of the Schengen so the 90 days in any rolling 180 day period applies to foreign residents [non-EU citizens] of Croatia. Whereas Croatia has its own similar 90 days in any rolling 180 day short stay visa, from which the pursuit of residency in Croatia can resolve for time spent in Croatia.

Montanan - why are you posting all this UNRELATED TO THIS THREAD / cut & paste, data? Did anyone ask you to Google this sh_t for them?
Answer: no, nobody asked you to Google and paste here.
What I asked for is current information from cruisers / sailors, in Europe, going from country to country via their own boat dealing with VIRUS rules.
Thank you.

[Montanan]

As to your intention of operating a charter business in Croatia:

The key points of most recent charter regulations took effect in 2017.

Charter business can be performed by NON EU and EU charter companies with commercially registered yachts.

To set up a yacht for charter business in Croatia (typically takes approx. 10 - 14 days), a charter company needs:

a) To obtain VAT and PIN numbers with the Croatian tax office. The list of required papers that must be submitted depends on if the charter company is from the EU or outside the EU.
b) To list the yacht in "E-crew" ( a central online database ) of the Croatian Ministry of Maritime Affairs. The list of documents to submit depends on the GT and LOA of the yacht.
If all the papers are in order there will no longer be a need for a technical inspection of the yacht’s firefighting and safety equipment in Croatia before the beginning of its 1st charter.

All non-EU flagged commercial yachts will be required to obtain a charter [cabotage] license. There is no longer a limit on the yacht’s length in order to perform charters in Croatia. The license will be valid for the calendar year. The number of licenses that are issued are limited based on the Croatian market supply situation.

VAT will be charged on all commercial yachts that start charters (embark guests) in 3rd countries, on a pro-rata basis, for the time spent in Croatia. For instance, if a yacht embarks guests in Montenegro and comes to Croatia for 6 days, charter guests will need to pay Croatian VAT on those 6 days.

VAT for charter activities with overnight stay is 13%. Daily charters are 25%

All commercial charter yachts need to have proof of their vessels VAT paid status in the EU when entering Croatia.

When embarking guests outside the EU, all commercial yachts need to have a charter contract when entering Croatia; and when leaving Croatia they need to have an invoice of payment of Croatian VAT issued by its local VAT representative

When embarking guests in another EU country, all commercial yachts need to possess a charter contract when entering Croatia and a pro-forma invoice for VAT payment in that country issued by a fiscal representative in that country

When embarking guests outside the EU, EU charter companies can use their own VAT number for VAT payment in Croatia on a pro-rata basis

Non EU flagged commercial yachts who do not possess a cabotage license can cruise in Croatian territorial waters only between international ports, to and from shipyards, and only with crew on board.

[DougSabbag]

Originally Posted by Montanan

As to your intention of operating a...

Mr. Montanan,
Again, I am NOT ASKING YOU for ANY business information.
This thread was asking about any first hand information (not just googling, I can do that), from cruisers / sailors, currently going from country to country along the Mediterranean via their own boat(s), dealing with VIRUS RULES, per country.
If you have nothing to share fitting that description please paste your copied, unrelated, unsolicited, data elsewhere, because I am not reading your attempts to project yourself as 'all knowing' by pasting copied data.

[Barbaria]

If you look at MarineTraffic you will see leisure boats moving all over the Mediterranean, and that is only boats with AIS enabled. We have followed two Norwegian sailers on AIS from Gibraltar the last weeks. One is now in Sardinia the other just left Crete direction seems to be Turkey. So lockdown for sailors seems to be “variable” depending more on the port than the actual rules. We also talked to a Swedish sailor currently in Spain who said “tourists could sail in Spain”, but I have not been able to verify if that is actually true.

We are anchored down for the Easter lockdown here in Italy, but will move as soon as the holidays are over.

[more]

Originally Posted by DougSabbag

Hello - Does anyone know how 'open' the various ports are from Valencia Spain to Turkey this upcoming sailing season?
S/V Triumph

leave the airport building and enter on Spain soil, this is your most bigger challenger