Covid vaccination status for CF members

[MerMike]

Originally Posted by GordMay

St. Luke's chief medical officer fact checks a doctor's [Dr Ryan Cole] anti-vax claims
"I'm afraid this is more from our anti-vax colleagues to stoke fear and misinformation instead of science."
More ➥ https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/lo...e-d8edbf576c34

I live in Idaho and am constantly embarrassed by the level of potatoheadedness here.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

I just started reading this thread, and skipped the last 2 months. It has gone from reporting jabs and lack of reactions to the last few anti-vaxers and anti-maskers trying to spread their disinformation.

I got my second dose Feb 8, and all the news I have seen since then is positive for me. I believe that covid can no longer kill me, and my chances of passing it on are reduced by 95%; about the same as social distancing and wearing a mask. In California, my most vulnerable over 75 group has essentially been vaccinated, and they are working on the 50-75 group now and starting the 16-50 group April 15.

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and for me it looks like its less than 2 months away. I have been out sailing 7 times in the last 2 weeks, and feel perfectly safe doing it. I feel sorry for all my friends in Italy, Florida, and Texas.

For all the posters who don't take the vaccine, can I have your boat when you get covid?

No, you can't, We would need it again after the one week of coughing.

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by MerMike

I live in Idaho and am constantly embarrassed by the level of potatoheadedness here.

So if I was from Wisconsin we would be discussing The level of cheese-headedness?

[MerMike]

Originally Posted by sagablu

So if I was from Wisconsin we would be discussing The level of cheese-headedness?

Yes, indeed. I forgot to mention that the Legislature had to go home for two weeks because most of the R's refused to wear masks and got COVID. Because freedumb. In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon. What an embezzle."

[sjrider]

I'm from Utah and we have alot of "Utards" here as well.

[laird]

I've been part of the frontline team fighting this virus for just over a year now , I've seen us go from very little PPE to now having enough for the millennium , I am not medical ,I'm one of the support techs . The politics aside , we are winning the fight but this virus will be with us for a long time , it will be similar to the flu in as much that we will be getting an annual booster ,and there will also be an annual death rate .

At the moment ,it's all still a very foggy outlook , but there is light ahead

[Idlegreg]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

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It's kind of ironic in the capitalist vs socialist health care discussion you are trying to bring up...the US (primarily capitalist) is doing quite well on distribution. The EU the prime example of socialist health care is lagging by a huge amount and really has turned into a laughing stock after a few months ago warning against vaccine hording and now displaying that exact behavior.

Sorry, are you saying you think that European Union Health care is predominantly Socialist? These are all Capitalist countries!

And the UK (which is one of the Global leaders in Vaccine rollout) has the most significantly State-run Healthcare system in Western Europe - in fact in much of the World. I think if any European Healthcare system is Socialist it is the UK’s NHS and we have had a very successful vaccine rollout.

So that should put to bed the idea that the EU’s problems are to do with Socialism.

I wonder if the EU problems might lie in the fact it is, at the moment, a bit between two stools – the members were not acting as individual countries or acting decisively as a single nation. The US almost suffered from this but being a bit further along the unification route the federal government could act more effectively - once it had made up its mind the vaccine was real and needed proper attention.

I think the UK is interesting because our government likes to credit free market capitalism for the vaccine success but what actually happened is the government directly hired an individual (with a successful private business background) to run the vaccine taskforce and agreed to spend/risk lots of government money on vaccine contracts. Then the distribution was managed through the state-run NHS.

By contrast our Test and Trace system (although given the NHS logo) was a system where the government contracted out the whole job to Management consultants and big firms, who themselves sub contracted lots of the work - and that has been much more like a failure - plus very expensive (once again government i.e. taxpayers money).

To me this suggests the best result might be delivered by what was once called a Mixed Economy - a phrase that has apparently gone out of favour under the onslaught of conflicting ideology and spin that we currently suffer.

And governments hiring big private companies to fulfil what are ultimately government responsibilities often turns out to provide a big trough at which inefficient and vastly overpaid people feed. I think this vaccine situation suggests it might be good to hire people with a proven business track record to run a system delivered by a unified healthcare system.

[Clivevon]

Originally Posted by Idlegreg

Sorry, are you saying you think that European Union Health care is predominantly Socialist? These are all Capitalist countries!

And the UK (which is one of the Global leaders in Vaccine rollout) has the most significantly State-run Healthcare system in Western Europe - in fact in much of the World. I think if any European Healthcare system is Socialist it is the UK’s NHS and we have had a very successful vaccine rollout.

So that should put to bed the idea that the EU’s problems are to do with Socialism.

I wonder if the EU problems might lie in the fact it is, at the moment, a bit between two stools – the members were not acting as individual countries or acting decisively as a single nation. The US almost suffered from this but being a bit further along the unification route the federal government could act more effectively - once it had made up its mind the vaccine was real and needed proper attention.

I think the UK is interesting because our government likes to credit free market capitalism for the vaccine success but what actually happened is the government directly hired an individual (with a successful private business background) to run the vaccine taskforce and agreed to spend/risk lots of government money on vaccine contracts. Then the distribution was managed through the state-run NHS.

By contrast our Test and Trace system (although given the NHS logo) was a system where the government contracted out the whole job to Management consultants and big firms, who themselves sub contracted lots of the work - and that has been much more like a failure - plus very expensive (once again government i.e. taxpayers money).

To me this suggests the best result might be delivered by what was once called a Mixed Economy - a phrase that has apparently gone out of favour under the onslaught of conflicting ideology and spin that we currently suffer.

And governments hiring big private companies to fulfil what are ultimately government responsibilities often turns out to provide a big trough at which inefficient and vastly overpaid people feed. I think this vaccine situation suggests it might be good to hire people with a proven business track record to run a system delivered by a unified healthcare system.

Tell 'im , mate. Tell 'im...!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Idlegreg

Sorry, are you saying you think that European Union Health care is predominantly Socialist? These are all Capitalist countries!

And the UK (which is one of the Global leaders in Vaccine rollout) has the most significantly State-run Healthcare system in Western Europe - in fact in much of the World. I think if any European Healthcare system is Socialist it is the UK’s NHS and we have had a very successful vaccine rollout.

So that should put to bed the idea that the EU’s problems are to do with Socialism.

I wonder if the EU problems might lie in the fact it is, at the moment, a bit between two stools – the members were not acting as individual countries or acting decisively as a single nation. The US almost suffered from this but being a bit further along the unification route the federal government could act more effectively - once it had made up its mind the vaccine was real and needed proper attention.

I think the UK is interesting because our government likes to credit free market capitalism for the vaccine success but what actually happened is the government directly hired an individual (with a successful private business background) to run the vaccine taskforce and agreed to spend/risk lots of government money on vaccine contracts. Then the distribution was managed through the state-run NHS.

By contrast our Test and Trace system (although given the NHS logo) was a system where the government contracted out the whole job to Management consultants and big firms, who themselves sub contracted lots of the work - and that has been much more like a failure - plus very expensive (once again government i.e. taxpayers money).

To me this suggests the best result might be delivered by what was once called a Mixed Economy - a phrase that has apparently gone out of favour under the onslaught of conflicting ideology and spin that we currently suffer.

And governments hiring big private companies to fulfil what are ultimately government responsibilities often turns out to provide a big trough at which inefficient and vastly overpaid people feed. I think this vaccine situation suggests it might be good to hire people with a proven business track record to run a system delivered by a unified healthcare system.

Nailed it mate...

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by sagablu

The antigen tests that are believed by some to show immunity are fairly worthless in the real world. The Immune system is complex and testing for one antibody in no way will show reliable immunity. Secondly the tests can be fooled if you have had a similar corona virus infection. There ere plenty of common cold viruses in the Corona family. So yeah, a great idea but the technology to far behind for it to be practical or reliable.

So what you are saying is after just 3 months of vaccines tests can prove a minimum of 6 months immunity from serious infection before one needs a booster shot yet 13 months of people being infected and recovering cannot/has not produced anything that establishes a naturally gained immunity..
Fact.???
Or just marketing hype... and paid for science.

[Idlegreg]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

No, you can't, We would need it again after the one week of coughing.

Well maybe for you just one week of coughing - I hope you never get to find out if you are right about that. But what do you say to the many who had their cancer, or other, diagnoses and treatment delayed because the hospitals had thousands of seriously sick Covid patients filling the beds and ICU's?

Do you actually think the doctors just admitted the Covid patients for a laugh, and made others wait because they could ? Or might it just be that many thousands of people would not have survived Covid infection without hospital admission. Traditionally I tend to leave these clinical decisions to Doctors (and I don't envy them that) but perhaps you know best and I should come to you for treatment choice in the future?

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Idlegreg

Well maybe for you just one week of coughing - I hope you never get to find out if you are right about that. But what do you say to the many who had their cancer, or other, diagnoses and treatment delayed because the hospitals had thousands of seriously sick Covid patients filling the beds and ICU's?

Do you actually think the doctors just admitted the Covid patients for a laugh, and made others wait because they could ? Or might it just be that many thousands of people would not have survived Covid infection without hospital admission. Traditionally I tend to leave these clinical decisions to Doctors (and I don't envy them that) but perhaps you know best and I should come to you for treatment choice in the future?

No such thing. German hospitals were at no point of time overwhelmed, all cancer treatment and the treatment of other diseases was done during the pandemics and cancer death were sucessfully added to the covid statistics. During the first waves, clinic personal and nurses were sent home after waiting for patient inrush because nobody was going to the hospitals for any illnesses for treatment, patients from Italy and France were imported to fill the beds and prevent layoffs and fill the gaps. Treatments were not postponed by the doctors because of the pandemy, but by rescheduled on the request of the patients, to prevent an infection in the hospitals during treatment.

Even as we have now more active cases, the system is still running below it's capacities - despite all scare mongering. The counted incidents are caused by the extended testing and most cases are still asymptomatic or false positives.

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

No such thing. German hospitals were at no point of time overwhelmed, all cancer treatment and the treatment of other diseases was done during the pandemics and cancer death were sucessfully added to the covid statistics. During the first waves, clinic personal and nurses were sent home after waiting for patient inrush because nobody was going to the hospitals for any illnesses for treatment, patients from Italy and France were imported to fill the beds and prevent layoffs and fill the gaps. Treatments were not postponed by the doctors because of the pandemy, but by rescheduled on the request of the patients, to prevent an infection in the hospitals during treatment.

Even as we have now more active cases, the system is still running below it's capacities - despite all scare mongering. The counted incidents are caused by the extended testing and most cases are still asymptomatic or false positives.

German hospitals we're not overwhelmed because the population followed the lockdown protocols and worw masks as was suggested by public health officials. They were correctly informed about the severity of the outbreak and were not told the virus is going to go away You don't need a mask or any other nonsense. The problem here is everybody's so worried about their freedom that they forget about everybody else. This is why withone of the best health systems in the world, the outcome was so bad. If you think hospitals were not overwhelmed with the crisis you were denying the reality of the situation. Personally, I mean me have spoken directly to the medical director of a large hospital system and the guy who lives across the street from me was running medical services for the local VA. Trust me for a fact they were overwhelmed. Your comments to the contrary are just plain wrong. This is clearly evidenced by the 550,000 plus people who have died, and the many hundreds of thousands who we're not dealing with long term issues. Why you choose to ignore this I do not understand.

[CatNewBee]

Some facts:

Germany has

26807 ER beds and
2151 C19 ER cases ventillated
1698 C19 ER cases unventillated
18346 Other ERactive cases
4403 ER empty beds
11000 ER reserve capacity

It could easily treat double amount of C19 and can ramp up 5 times the current C19 cases using the reserve capacities.

There is no evidence other patients are turned away or not treated.
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...9-e8e4e1fe434a
Germany has a lot of ups and downs and was far less disciplined as Italy or Spain.

Even there is a Covid pandemic hype, only 20% in ER are C19 related, while 80% are C19-free ER cases. The 20% C19 related cases are not pure C19, they are also big part of cases with preconditions or other treatments having C19 contracted in hospital / been positive tested and been treated in ER.

[Belezar]

We got both of ours last month. Pfizer. No problems. Pretty much everyone in my extended family all branches has or will get it. Luckily in NC it’s basically open to everyone.