Canadian COVID-19 News

[jackdale]

A friend who lives aboard in Victoria confronted a US flagged boat that pulled in to the his marina. They claimed to be live aboards in the marina. Then they claimed to be Canadians. They admitted they had been refused entry at Poets Cove, South Pender Island, and then decided to sneak into Victoria.

After being told they were being reported they left the marina. I think they have turned off their AIS.

What part of closed border, do folks not understand?

[AiniA]

I think that many Americans are having difficulty understanding that they have become the Typhoid Marys (COVID Marys?) of the developed world (and much of the less developed world).

[Mike OReilly]

An important point here is that this animousity is not aimed at Americans. There are plenty of examples of folks from one community or province telling visitors from other provinces to "Go Home!" So this isn't just about those Americans. But sadly, the USA increasingly appears to be an outlier in its response to this pandemic.

I said early on that one of the factors that could affect the development of this disease is social trust/cohesion, and the ability of individuals to act for the collective good. Some countries and societies score higher on these traits than others. I think we're seeing this reflected in some of the international case numbers.

[Montanan]

The right of innocent passage can be restricted when the nation state needs to take action to secure the security of the state, e.g. from contagion.

UNCLOS
SECTION 3. INNOCENT PASSAGE IN THE TERRITORIAL SEA

SUBSECTION A. RULES APPLICABLE TO ALL SHIPS


Article17

Right of innocent passage

Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.


Article18

Meaning of passage

1. Passage means navigation through the territorial sea for the purpose of:

(a) traversing that sea without entering internal waters or calling at a roadstead or port facility outside internal waters; or

(b) proceeding to or from internal waters or a call at such roadstead or port facility.

2. Passage shall be continuous and expeditious. However, passage includes stopping and anchoring, but only in so far as the same are incidental to ordinary navigation or are rendered necessary by force majeure or distress or for the purpose of rendering assistance to persons, ships or aircraft in danger or distress.


Article19

Meaning of innocent passage

1. Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.

2. Passage of a foreign ship shall be considered to be prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State if in the territorial sea it engages in any of the following activities:

(a) any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of the coastal State, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;

(b) any exercise or practice with weapons of any kind;

(c) any act aimed at collecting information to the prejudice of the defence or security of the coastal State;

(d) any act of propaganda aimed at affecting the defence or security of the coastal State;

(e) the launching, landing or taking on board of any aircraft;

(f) the launching, landing or taking on board of any military device;

(g) the loading or unloading of any commodity, currency or person contrary to the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State;

(h) any act of wilful and serious pollution contrary to this Convention;

(i) any fishing activities;

(j) the carrying out of research or survey activities;

(k) any act aimed at interfering with any systems of communication or any other facilities or installations of the coastal State;

(l) any other activity not having a direct bearing on passage.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by AiniA

I think that many Americans are having difficulty understanding that <snip> they have become the less developed world.

Fixed it for you.

[OloteleMtn]

Originally Posted by jackdale

A friend who lives aboard in Victoria confronted a US flagged boat that pulled in to the his marina. They claimed to be live aboards in the marina. Then they claimed to be Canadians. They admitted they had been refused entry at Poets Cove, South Pender Island, and then decided to sneak into Victoria.

After being told they were being reported they left the marina. I think they have turned off their AIS.

What part of closed border, do folks not understand?

For sure you know how most of us southern cousins feel about undocumented immigrants, then.....were they US people, or just their boat? Chinese spies maybe? For the record, i really hate liars, but maybe your friend scared them and (i don't know the rest)

[Montanan]

Well not great news today on two fronts as to Covid-19

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavir...121847378.html

A major new study in one of Europe's worst affected countries for the coronavirus finds no evidence of widespread immunity to the virus developing.

Just 5% of Spaniards were detected to have antibodies to the virus.

Fourteen percent of people who previously tested positive for antibodies tested negative just weeks later.

The study suggests people who experience mild symptoms do not have long-lasting protection.

"Immunity can be incomplete, it can be transitory, it can last for just a short time and then disappear," Raquel Yotti, the director of Spain's Carlos III Health Institute, said.

Another scientist involved said: "In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable."



The World Health Organization states that there is emerging evidence that the virus could be airborne transmitted which makes exposure much more likely as to distance and as to lingering in the air.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/airborne-...121733735.html

"From the start of the pandemic, the WHO and other public health organizations have focused on the virus’s ability to spread through large droplets that are expelled when a symptomatic person coughs or sneezes.

These droplets are heavy, relatively speaking, and fall quickly to the floor or onto a surface that others might touch. This is why public health agencies have recommended maintaining a distance of at least 6 feet from others, and frequent hand washing.

But some experts have said for months that infected people also are releasing much smaller aerosols when they cough and sneeze. More important, they expel tiny aerosols even when they breathe, talk or sing, especially with some exertion.

Scientists know now that people can spread the virus even in the absence of symptoms — without coughing or sneezing — and aerosols might explain that phenomenon.

Because aerosols are smaller, they contain much less virus than droplets do. But because they are lighter, they can linger in the air for hours, especially in the absence of fresh air. In a crowded indoor space, a single infected person can release enough aerosolized virus over time to infect many people, perhaps seeding a superspreader event.

For droplets to be responsible for that kind of spread, a single person would have to be within a few feet of all the other people, or to have contaminated an object that everyone else touched. All that seems unlikely to many experts: “I have to do too many mental gymnastics to explain those other routes of transmission compared to aerosol transmission, which is much simpler,” Marr said."

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Well not great news today on two fronts as to Covid-19

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavir...121847378.html

A major new study in one of Europe's worst affected countries for the coronavirus finds no evidence of widespread immunity to the virus developing.

Just 5% of Spaniards were detected to have antibodies to the virus.

Everybody (by now) is aware of antibodies, but they are not the only mechanism of the immune system. What I'd like to know is if there's been any "re-infection" testing (or observations) of any kind that definitely shows that people can get COVID-19 again. There was some such finding from the China data in the spring, but then it was retracted because they later found that the people actually hadn't rid themselves of the initial infection.

So we don't know for a fact that you can catch it again after only a short period, as far as I've heard or read.

... some experts have said for months that infected people also are releasing much smaller aerosols when they cough and sneeze. More important, they expel tiny aerosols even when they breathe, talk or sing, especially with some exertion.

... further proof that everyone should just wear the damn mask, please, when you're around others, or in stores, etc.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Everybody (by now) is aware of antibodies, but they are not the only mechanism of the immune system. What I'd like to know is if there's been any "re-infection" testing (or observations) of any kind that definitely shows that people can get COVID-19 again. There was some such finding from the China data in the spring, but then it was retracted because they later found that the people actually hadn't rid themselves of the initial infection.

So we don't know for a fact that you can catch it again after only a short period, as far as I've heard or read.
... further proof that everyone should just wear the damn mask, please, when you're around others, or in stores, etc.

a bit here about re-infection FYI

https://www.thailandmedical.news/new...rding-to-china

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by atoll

a bit here about re-infection FYI

https://www.thailandmedical.news/new...rding-to-china

Arggghhh! Well that is depressing and worrisome.

It has always been perceived to be a major challenge to derive immune response protection, based on research involving the other types of coronaviruses. E.g., there being that cold you just keep getting after your immune response wains rapidly.

The lack of cross variant protection of antibodies seems to imply the need for multiple targeted mutation specific vaccines, in addition to regular booster inoculations. There not enough syringes or vials to handle that kind of continuing volume.

Well time and community spread will provide evidence whether persons can be reinfected after having been infected and whether there is cross protection against the various mutant strains afforded from either vaccination or by infection to one mutant strain. This disease is too dangerous to intentionally expose volunteers to such reexposure or new mutant exposures, so one has to just let nature work its course and a large experimental population of tested individuals.

[OloteleMtn]

So far the vaccine trials as a per capita percentage have harmed more people than the disease has. There currently no vaccines for ANY coronavirus that are shown to be effective in all cases; conversely, there ARE effective treatments, some of which are not costly.

[jackdale]

Why the border remains closed.



This photo shows COVID-19 cases in Canada and the United States. The data on the map above is on a more localized level in the United States, which makes it appear more red, but there are an overwhelming number of cases south of the border compared to Canada. (Source: Johns Hopkins University)

[atoll]

re above see link

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...box=1594139158

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by OloteleMtn

So far the vaccine trials as a per capita percentage have harmed more people than the disease has. There currently no vaccines for ANY coronavirus that are shown to be effective in all cases; conversely, there ARE effective treatments, some of which are not costly.

OloteleMtn, please show your citation of sources for all these allegations.

Thank you.

[Montanan]

Non-medical masks are now mandatory in public indoor spaces in Toronto

On the recommendation of Toronto's medical officer of health Dr. Eileen de Villa, on Jun. 30, the city's council approved a temporary bylaw making masks and facial coverings mandatory in public indoor settings as the economy reopens and employees return to work during Stage 2.

"I cannot emphasize enough how important it is for all of us to remember that we are still in the middle of a pandemic," said De Villa.

The bylaw took effect today, July 7, and will be under monthly review until the first city council meeting of the Fall on Sept. 30.

As of Tuesday morning, the total number of lab-confirmed cases of the disease stands at nearly 36,000 with 2,689 deaths and 31,426 recoveries. On Monday, Ontario records no new COVID-19-related deaths for the first time in months.

NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT ONE.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nonm...135804763.html