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Old 19-03-2020, 14:46   #1
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can foreign boats enter the US?

Specifically a european who set sail a week ago from carribean before any ban in place and being out of contact of radio is probably also unaware of the situation. He should arrive to the USA in a week or so.

Any information on the situation in the usa? From noonsite:

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Spain: Spain has declared a “state of emergency”. Recreational sailing is now banned and it is not recommended to cross/enter any border.
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Closed means closed. Their Embassy and ours will have to work something out with Immigration.

There will be multiple strandings of cruising people who left from ports prior to closure. There will be a need for issuing visas on arrival.

I wish them luck. It reminds me of Tom Paine's quote, about something else, of course, but it seems to apply now, "These are the times that try men's souls."

I hope they work out something for visa extensions, too, while lockdowns are in place.

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Re: can foreign boats enter the US?

As to non-immigrant visas, much depends on which country they are from as to whether the are from a country that is part of the visa waiver program.

I would expect that free pratique would not be granted by the Customs and Border Patrol at the port of entry. They will be inspected and most assuredly will be required to undergo quarantine, likely 14 days remaining at anchor and likely not permitted to moor to land so as to mitigate interaction with land based personnel. They should call ahead to the CBP office at the port they are headed to give notice of arrival 48 hours ahead of time would be warranted and to discuss the detail procedure. You can Google that office and call to discuss the particulars.

The suspension of visa services would affect both immigrant and non-immigrant visa services at embassies in countries with a U.S. State Department travel advisory level of 2, 3, or 4.
As of Wednesday that includes around 100 countries for which warnings have been issued, according to the U.S. State Department website. Reasons for those warnings range from outbreaks of the new coronavirus to war to crime.
The US State Department issued a Level 4 advisory for the entire globe today, Do Not Travel Anywhere. The US and Canada will preclude non-essential travel between the countries effective Friday night and discussion are underway to also preclude non-essential travel between the USA and Mexico. Recreational yachting is non-essential travel so yes they may be told to return to their country and not permitted into the USA, worst case scenario. They came across the Atlantic, they could return.

As to the vise services being suspended the State Department spokeswoman said the move would not affect the Visa Waiver Program (VWP), which enables most citizens of participating countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. But this is not ordinary times and all travel is being suspended, so I suspect the VWP is likely overridden by the travel ban.

Consular and visa services announcements
On March 18, 2020, travel.state.gov (U.S. Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs Visa Office) posted the following news alert:

"In response to worldwide challenges related to the outbreak of COVID-19, the Department of State is suspending routine visa services in most countries worldwide. Embassies and consulates in these countries will cancel all routine immigrant and nonimmigrant visa appointments as of March 18, 2020. Check the website of the embassy or consulate for its current operating status. As resources allow, embassies and consulates will continue to provide urgent and emergency visa services.
These Embassies will resume routine visa services as soon as possible but are unable to provide a specific date at this time. Although all routine immigrant and nonimmigrant visa appointments are cancelled, the MRV fee is valid and may be used for a visa appointment in the country where it was paid within one year of the date of payment.
This does not affect the visa waiver program.
Services to U.S. citizens continue to be available. More information is available on the Embassy’s website.
Applicants with an urgent matter and need to travel immediately should follow the guidance provided at the Embassy’s website to request an emergency appointment."
A similar message was tweeted and posted on its Facebook page:

"In response to worldwide challenges related to the outbreak of COVID-19, the Department of State is suspending routine visa services in most countries worldwide. Embassies and consulates in these countries will cancel all routine immigrant and nonimmigrant visa appointments as of March 18, 2020. These embassies and consulates will resume routine visa services as soon as possible, but we are unable to provide a specific date at this time. Check the website of the embassy or consulate for its current operating status: usembassy.gov.

Services to U.S. citizens will continue at U.S. embassies and consulates overseas, but the availability of these services may be limited. Check the website of an individual embassy or consulate to determine their operating status and find emergency contact information."

To find embassy or consulate websites, go to https://www.usembassy.gov/. The embassy links get you to the right embassy website, but you will have to do some clicking to find relevant COVID-19 information, as each embassy website is structured a bit differently.
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Re: can foreign boats enter the US?

Not sure he has enough food aboard to return to europe since bermuda is also closed.

This is unfair as the spread of the virus is the fault of air travel. The restrictions are not really reasonable if you are already underway, but this is not a surprise since most visa rules are written without consideration of cruisers as well.

In any case, we don't know enough about the virus to know the risks associated with cruising boats so maybe they should be denied. For all we know 14 days quarantine is insufficient.

As long as we can't sail, on the bright side, at least the skies are cleaner.
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This is unfair as the spread of the virus is the fault of air travel. The restrictions are not really reasonable if you are already underway, but this is not a surprise since most visa rules are written without consideration of cruisers as well.

In any case, we don't know enough about the virus to know the risks associated with cruising boats so maybe they should be denied. For all we know 14 days quarantine is insufficient.

As long as we can't sail, on the bright side, at least the skies are cleaner.
The goal is to immediately stop the movement of people and the spread of the virus

It would be odd if you mate had no contact with the outside world for past few weeks
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I don't think he has a radio or sat phone. I certainly never did and caught up on news from months ago after arriving in ports.
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This is unfair as the spread of the virus is the fault of air travel. The restrictions are not really reasonable if you are already underway, but this is not a surprise since most visa rules are written without consideration of cruisers as well.

In any case, we don't know enough about the virus to know the risks associated with cruising boats so maybe they should be denied. For all we know 14 days quarantine is insufficient.

As long as we can't sail, on the bright side, at least the skies are cleaner.
Nothing unfair about it, it is just an implementation of a quarantine and a travel ban. The cruisers can sail back to repatriate to their home countries, albeit with a quarantine invoked by their own country upon arrival.

You are correct as to 14 days being a bit arbitrary. The word quarantine is of Italian origin and means 40 days and was invoked first by Venice during the black plague.

It is about keeping potential vectors out. Visitors are unwelcomed.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus outbreak has been known for going on for about 3 months. Travel restrictions have long been predicted, no one should have been caught unaware of its pandemic potential and consequences.
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In the end any vessel can enter the US

The quarantine and associated isolation will be very expensive for the vessel

If your mate is sailing without vhf he is a fool

If equipped with vhf he will have heard notice to mariners safety info on ch 16

He would be smart to first make radio contact with the USCG and ask for assistance before entering territorial waters
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In the end any vessel can enter the US

The quarantine and associated isolation will be very expensive for the vessel

If your mate is sailing without vhf he is a fool

If equipped with vhf he will have heard notice to mariners safety info on ch 16

He would be smart to first make radio contact with the USCG and ask for assistance before entering territorial waters



Blue Alexandra's [hypothetical] friend should use whatever means sensibly come to mind to notify of his intentions at least 48 hrs. in advance. That gives him/her the best chance to get something worked out.

Some of the Customs and Immigration personnel do understand that a long sea voyage is a quarantine, of sorts. But they WILL want it to be documentable, and that isn't too hard. One's deck log with daily positions usually suffices. A quarantine entry without pratique may be possible. shiptrack.org is one outfit who can post your last positions for a year, if you are subscribed.

However, if where they last checked out from is on the no-entry list, they have a problem, and it is best handled with kindness and consideration. It will involve self-quarantine aboard the vessel. Right now, a lot of people are feeling defensive, and have short handles on their tempers because there are many repercussions from the corona virus pandemic, and we all need to keep cool. Especially so, when dealing with the people who have the guns.

It is normal to be in a sort of pre-grieving process right now. People are imagining they will not be able to say goodbye to their loved ones; that they will be financially in deep strife; and, so, we need to pause, take a deep breath, and deal with events one at a time. And try to deal with it kindly, because the guy or gal who came into work today, actually is trying to make your life easier, as well as make ends meet, even if you don't like what they have to tell you.

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It is normal to be in a sort of pre-grieving process right now. People are imagining they will not be able to say goodbye to their loved ones; that they will be financially in deep strife; and, so, we need to pause, take a deep breath, and deal with events one at a time. And try to deal with it kindly, because the guy or gal who came into work today, actually is trying to make your life easier, as well as make ends meet, even if you don't like what they have to tell you.

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Well said.

I think the vast majority of us are treating each other better, on those rare occasions of personal contact (at a social distance, of course) or over the phone. I'm really sensing a "we're all in this together" attitude which I think speaks well of our society.
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the hypothetical hermit friend will required to provide documents of his past 14 days - that will determine immediately the issue on quarantine.
The treatment is not recreational vs commercial- the treatment is to determine exposure and potential infection.
Think some persons look to incite negativity.
If visa papers are in order then it will only be the quarantine orders and on-boat restrictions in line with other local restrictions. Whining about the fault is not relevant nor appreciated.
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Not whining but pointing out that international air travel comes at great cost to all but "benefits" a relatively small over-privileged fraction of the world population.

6 out of 7 people never been on an airplane.

Air travel in its current form should be abolished for social justice reasons.
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Not whining but pointing out that international air travel comes at great cost to all but "benefits" a relatively small over-privileged fraction of the world population.

6 out of 7 people never been on an airplane.

Air travel in its current form should be abolished for social justice reasons.


There an even smaller “over-privileged” set of people sailing the world on small boats who think they’re got the only way to live a low impact lifestyle.
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Not whining but pointing out that international air travel comes at great cost to all but "benefits" a relatively small over-privileged fraction of the world population.

6 out of 7 people never been on an airplane.

Air travel in its current form should be abolished for social justice reasons.
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Not whining but pointing out that international air travel comes at great cost to all but "benefits" a relatively small over-privileged fraction of the world population.

6 out of 7 people never been on an airplane.

Air travel in its current form should be abolished for social justice reasons.
Sounds like this anarchist conversation leads to petroleum use and global warming.
Guess living off the grid does have its benefits in a fiberglass boat with synthetic sails. What happens when medical services are needed? rescue?

the airplane did not cause this virus- illegal poaching and poor medical access did. Hm- people living above the rules of society?
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