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Old 02-12-2020, 20:48   #31
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In the case of the BVI those guests bring (brought) a lot of money.
I am 100% sure they are taking that into account.
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Old 02-12-2020, 22:36   #32
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I find it interesting how many Americans on this forum so often complain about countries enforcing their borders. But these same people never seem for a moment to consider the consequences to someone infringing their own countries borders.
LOL....any one ever try to get residency in NZ.. You must show NZ needs you....you will not displace another job...be able to take care of yourself ....have a big fat bank account before letting you in. Oh,,,,, and if you are too old ..forget it.
US border...we have 30 million illegals here, how do you think they got in? I am in California. If I loose my job, insurance...I am in trouble. Yet someone comes here from south of the border and the are can get free healthcare, education, housing, food....and monthly pay check. Can I do that if I go to NZ? And when we try to enforce our borders ..the world thinks we are racist and mean spirited.

Imagine if we could fine 10k for every person that entered the US illegally ....

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Back to the original story....If the BVI was so worried about Covid 19 why did they bring these people into their country and let them stay in a hotel . Wouldn't it have been safer to just warn them...and let them go on their way?

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Back to the original story....If the BVI was so worried about Covid 19 why did they bring these people into their country and let them stay in a hotel . Wouldn't it have been safer to just warn them...and let them go on their way?

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Re: BVI & Covid problems

The maximum penalties, under a law, are generally reserved for the very most egregious offences.
Since the Canada Quarantine act took effect in late March, more than one million people who entered Canada, were required to quarantine for 14 days. The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) had flagged more than 247,000 of those travellers to police, as potential quarantine violators.
Over the past seven months, police have issued 77 fines and charged seven people for violating Canada's Quarantine Act, according to PHAC.
RCMP officers issued the majority of the fines, which ranged from $275 to $1,275. Most faced penalties of up to six months in jail, and/or fines of up to $750,000.

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Violating any instructions provided to you when you entered Canada or failing to provide accurate information is an offence under the Quarantine Act and could lead to up to:
6 months in prison and/or
$750,000 in fines

If you choose to break your mandatory quarantine or isolation, resulting in the death or serious bodily harm to another person, you could face:
a fine of up to $1,000,000 or
imprisonment of up to 3 years or
both
The Contraventions Act gives police (including the RCMP, provincial and local police) more power to enforce the Quarantine Act. They can issue tickets to people who don't comply with the act or the emergency orders. Fines range from $275 to $1,000.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...th-advice.html

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6 Americans fined for violations while driving through Canada to Alaska — despite tougher rules
In August, B.C. RCMP ticketed half-a-dozen Americans in two separate incidents for going off-route during their treks. The tickets totalled $4,500 in fines and, in one case, RCMP escorted a family of five out of Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...rcmp-1.5748611
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The thread is now descending into abject nonsense.
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This is the very little they have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health...Virgin_Islands
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... USA lets more people into this country than any other I know of...
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The USA doesn't even make it into the TOP 10 countries that accept the most refugees;

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...ugees?slide=11
Those evil Americans, they don't let anyone in ...

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Yes indeed, the USA has the highest number of immigrants. But it is also one of the largest countries on the planet. Measured on a per-capita basis, the USA still ranks high, but not the highest:


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The number and proportion of immigrants in the population: international comparisons

The United States has the highest number of immigrants (foreign born persons) in the world, with a total of 43 million, six times more than Saudi Arabia (7.3 million) or Canada (7.2 million). However, relative to their population size,the two latter countries have twice as many immigrants: 28% and 21%, respectively, compared to 13% in the United States. Small countries have the highest relative number of immigrants. Switzerland, with 23% of immigrants, is ahead of the United States, while in Luxemburg the proportion is even higher (35%). In the old immigration countries, like the United States and France, the immigrant population built up gradually. Although moderate at certain periods, like in France today, the migrant inflow has remained almost uninterrupted over more than a century. In recent immigration countries, such as Spain, the immigrant population has grown very rapidly, with massive inflows in recent years.
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According to the article on Sailing Anarchy, ostensibly written by the captain of the vessel involved, they were headed from St Thomas (USVI) to Francis Bay on St. John's (USVI). They got stopped, also according to the captain, about 1 mile south of White Bay on Jost Van Dyke (BVI). Even giving him leeway for having to beat to get to Francis Bay, there was no reason for him to be where he was when he was stopped. It was well out of the way. He also knew the BVI's had COVID restrictions. Are they only for the other guys?
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According to the article on Sailing Anarchy, ostensibly written by the captain of the vessel involved, they were headed from St Thomas (USVI) to Francis Bay on St. John's (USVI). They got stopped, also according to the captain, about 1 mile south of White Bay on Jost Van Dyke (BVI). Even giving him leeway for having to beat to get to Francis Bay, there was no reason for him to be where he was when he was stopped. It was well out of the way. He also knew the BVI's had COVID restrictions. Are they only for the other guys?
I believe the victims in the Fox article and the Sailing Anarchy article are two unrelated cases (they left St Thomas on different days?).

I'm not familiar with Innocent Passage but I believe the sailor in the Sailing Anarchy article has a valid point. You can be directly south of Jost, in BVI waters, and still be outside of the BVI Exclusion Zone. The captain in this article mentioned that he paid the outrageous fine of $20k and is fighting the case from back in the US.

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Well they could have ended up in a cage, I think we do that with people caught on the wrong side of the boarder
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Well they could have ended up in a cage, I think we do that with people caught on the wrong side of the boarder
Intent matters. Most countries will put you in a cage if the intent of your illegal entry is criminal ... including the BVI.

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