Update on Ridd Case

[LittleWing77]

Originally Posted by StuM

I'm sure you meant "Probably has forgotten more than any of us (will ever) know"

Without that last part, you are suggesting that he has "lost his marbles"

That's right, then. Thanks, Stu!

I meant to compliment Gord, certainly not to imply that he's losing his marbles...

So embarassing!
LW77

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

Funny thing about those putative marbles: they seem, increasingly, to have a mind of their own.

Ann

Just s long as we dont start talking about the size of Gord's marbles.[emoji4]

[GordMay]

An Editorial, from Dr Peter Ridd's side of the isle:

“THE SCIENCE BEHIND PETER RIDD’S DISMISSAL” ~ by Dr Jennifer Marohasy [1], Senior Fellow, Institute of Pubic Affairs [2] (June 2021)
➥ https://ipa.org.au/wp-content/upload...ismissalv2.pdf

About:
[1] Dr Jennifer Marohasy ➥ https://www.desmog.com/jennifer-marohasy/
[2] Institute of Pubic Affairs ➥ https://www.desmog.com/institute-public-affairs/


See also:
“Science communication and mediatised environmental conflict: A cautionary tale” ~ by Claire Konkes & Kerrie Foxwell-Norton
➥ https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...63662520985134

[StuM]

Really? Desmog? Next thing you'll be back to quoting Orestes, Cook and Lewandowski again

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by StuM

Really? Desmog? Next thing you'll be back to quoting Orestes ...

Why not? I cited Marohasy. ➥ https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3430522
“Naomi Oreskes on the science of climate change and COVID-19 – and those who deny it”
➥ https://youtu.be/Rgapv3xDVDc
➥

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgapv3xDVDc

➥ https://climatechange.environment.ha.../naomi-oreskes

[GordMay]

An article, in the Global Warming Policy Forum, written by research scientist Roy Spencer, disputed the veracity of computer models predicting rising global temperatures. Arguing that: “Just about every climate claim made by politicians, and even many vocal scientists, has been either an exaggeration or a lie,” Spencer claimed that official climate models had been “promoted for the purposes of implementing expensive, economically-damaging, and poverty-worsening energy policies.”.
Elsewhere in the article, Spencer wrote: “It matters because there is no Climate Crisis. There is no Climate Emergency.”

“Global warming trend is only half of what climate modellers have predicted” ~ by Roy Spencer [April 23, 2021]
42 years of satellite observations show that warming is occurring much more slowly than the average climate model has predicted.
➥ https://www.thegwpf.com/happy-earth-...ave-predicted/

About Roy Spencer ➥ https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
About the Global Warming Policy Foundation ➥ https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...icy_Foundation




The Conspiracy Theory Handbook
Conspiracy theories attempt to explain events as the secretive plots of powerful people. While conspiracy theories are not typically supported by evidence, this doesn’t stop them from blossoming. Conspiracy theories damage society in a number of ways. To help minimise these harmful effects, The Conspiracy Theory Handbook, by Stephan Lewandowsky and John Cook, explains why conspiracy theories are so popular, how to identify the traits of conspiratorial thinking, and what are effective response strategies.
➥ https://www.climatechangecommunicati...ryHandbook.pdf


This video was written by John Cook (George Mason University), Stephan Lewandowsky (University of Bristol), Ullrich Ecker (University of Western Australia), and Sander van Der Linden (Cambridge University). ➥ https://youtu.be/Rban0JGEimE

[StuM]

Here we go again, another thread about a specific case being taken off the rails by alarmist cr*p from the usual suspects.



I'm out of here!

[RaymondR]

Interesting development in GBR matters.

Australia has been ambushed by the World Heritage Committee of the United Nations by a stated intention to declare the reef in danger. This in spite of a recent assurance by the Paris-based World Heritage Centre that the reefs health would not be downgraded.

An interesting aspect of the matter is that the Committee is chaired by an individual from a north east Asian country which dumped millions of tons of dredge materials on reefs in order to build military bases in sea areas they have been found by an international judicial body to have no valid territorial claims over.

Since one of Ridd's stated concerns was the economic damage caused by various activists using junk science in their anti industry and commerce propaganda activities and it appears that now it is also to be used in punitive measures against countries who disagree with the negative activities of that NE Asian nation, it appears that Ridd's concern about, and responses to, the propagation of the junk science were justified.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

... An interesting aspect of the matter is that the Committee is chaired by an individual from a north east Asian country ...
... Since one of Ridd's stated concerns was the economic damage caused by various activists using junk science in their anti industry and commerce propaganda activities and it appears that now it is also to be used in punitive measures against countries who disagree with the negative activities of that NE Asian nation, it appears that Ridd's concern about, and responses to, the propagation of the junk science were justified.

Wow! That's some twisted logic. I'd have thought, given your knowledge of the GBR, you'd have argued the issue, on it merits.
FWIW: The World Heritage Committee
Chairperson: H.E. Mr. Tian Xuejun (China)
Rapporteur: Ms. Miray Hasaltun Wosinski (Bahrain)
Vice-Chairpersons: Bahrain, Guatemala, Hungary, Spain, Uganda
The 21 States Parties of the current World Heritage Committee are the following:
Australia, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, China, Egypt, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Hungary, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Russian Federation, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Spain, Thailand, Uganda
➥ https://whc.unesco.org/en/committee/


UNESCO recommends the Great Barrier Reef be declared World Heritage in Danger
UNESCO has sent the strongest message possible that Australia must do more on climate change and water quality to protect the Great Barrier Reef by recommending the natural icon be inscribed on the List of World Heritage in Danger.
Overnight, the UN body issued a draft decision on the World Heritage status of Australia’s iconic reef. That decision will be considered by the World Heritage Committee when it meets in July.
➥ https://www.wwf.org.au/news/news/202...tage-in-danger

[Reefmagnet]

^^^ This is what happens when lunatics start to run the asylum. The GBR when all said and done would be up there with the healthiest reefs in the world. I'd guess the assessments provided were made by the same self serving genius's that stuck the boot into one of their own because he refused to go along with their equally self serving and misplaced alarmism.

[RaymondR]

One assumes that the decision had some sort of informational basis, where did this information come from? Or did the committee sneak in their own scientists to carryout their own survey whilst the Australian authorities weren't watching.

Mr. Tian Xuejun

1979-1983 Study in Department of Foreign Languages, Shandong University;

1983-1985 Study in Department of Diplomacy, China Foreign Affairs University;

1985-1988 Staff member and Attache of the Embassy of the People's Republic of China in the State of Kuwait;

1988-1991 Attache and Third Secretary of the Embassy of the People's Republic of China in the People's Republic of Bangladesh;

1991-1992 Third Secretary of the Department of Personnel, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China;

1992-1998 Second Secretary, then First Secretary of the General Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China;

1998-2003 Counselor of the General Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China;

2003-2004 Secretary of the General Office, the State Council of the People's Republic of China;

2004-2007 Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the People's Republic of China to the Hellenic Republic;

2007-2012 Director General of the Department of Personnel, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China;

2012-2017 Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the People's Republic of China to the Republic of South Africa;

2017- Vice Minister of Education, Member of CPC Leading Group of Ministry of Education, Chairman of National Language Commission, Director of Chinese National Commission for UNESCO, Secretary of CPC Committee of Ministry of Education

Guaranteed to be an independent thinker and always brutally objective in his decisions???

[StuM]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

One assumes that the decision had some sort of informational basis, where did this information come from? Or did the committee sneak in their own scientists to carryout their own survey whilst the Australian authorities weren't watching.

Not even that.

"Overnight Chinese players in the UN have pushed it to the top of a list that had 82 more fragile ecosystems ahead of it.
...
The World Heritage Committee has not visited the reef since 2012, and there has been no mention of an “in danger” listing since 2015."

[GordMay]

Perhaps, a reading of the actual UNESCO recommendations might enlighten our conversation:

State of conservation of properties WHC/21/44.COM/7B.Add, p. 83
Great Barrier Reef (Australia) (N154) - page 83
➥ https://whc.unesco.org/archive/2021/...-7B.Add-en.pdf

➥ Great Barrier Reef - Documents - UNESCO World Heritage Centre

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by StuM

Here we go again, another thread about a specific case being taken off the rails by alarmist cr*p from the usual suspects.

I'm out of here!

... says a usual suspect. Byeee!

(Spencer, Spencer, Spencer, Spencer, Spencer, RIDD! Well, it breaks the monotony)

My contrarian friends, what is the goal? If you think that the harms of human activity inflicted upon the planet have been overstated... then what? We get to chug along with no changes, shouting down any report of current or potential harm? Drill, baby, drill? (and burn, baby, burn it as fast as it comes out of the ground?) Keep dumping the mess wherever, as long as it's out of sight? Walk away when the resource is exhausted...

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

... Drill, baby, drill? (and burn, baby, burn it as fast as it comes out of the ground?)

If coal & oil is so bad for the environment ...
Why don't we just burn it all?

FWIW:
Q: Do you know how to confuse a coal miner?
A: Show him a row of shovels and tell him to take his pick.