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Old 08-02-2020, 07:52   #1
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Private charter in US.

We will spend next summer along Long Island Sound and we would like to know if it's possible to board people for a day trip or more days.

We're italian citizens with UK flagged sailing boat.

We are ready to pay the taxes if needed, but we don't know how to proceed.

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We will spend next summer along Long Island Sound and we would like to know if it's possible to board people for a day trip or more days.

We're italian citizens with UK flagged sailing boat.

We are ready to pay the taxes if needed, but we don't know how to proceed.

Thanks.
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Ciao Stefano,

Perhaps you could start here: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/100607.html

Remember that Long Island Sound may be under the jurisdiction of NY or CT depending on where you are.

Best of luck!
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Old 08-02-2020, 11:28   #3
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Ciao Stefano,

Perhaps you could start here: https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/100607.html

Remember that Long Island Sound may be under the jurisdiction of NY or CT depending on where you are.

Best of luck!
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Re: Private charter in US.

If you intend to pay someone to take you for a sail this introduces some legal problems in the US. Anyone taking passengers for hire is required by law to have a Captain's license. Also their owner's insurance will probably not cover any accidents, injuries or damage while chartering.

Very possible you might find someone to take you out for a day sail for no charge and you could treat them to dinner and wine. Or you might find someone willing to ignore the rules and do this without the license but they would be taking a risk.
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Re: Private charter in US.

Skipmac, I think he wants to take out people, for money, not the other way around.....He says he will be around Long Is. Sound for 6 months and wants to board people.

Stevenit, did you want to be taken out on someone's boat? or, rather, to take others aboard your boat and be paid for it?

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Skipmac, I think he wants to take out people, for money, not the other way around.....He says he will be around Long Is. Sound for 6 months and wants to board people.

Stevenit, did you want to be taken out on someone's boat? or, rather, to take others aboard your boat and be paid for it?

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Oh yes. Rereading the post I do believe you're right. Sorry I'm sometimes confused, which is easier and easier to do as time goes by.

However, a lot of the same issues and a few more will apply.

To take passengers for hire, legally, you will need a USCG captains license and unless you get an advanced license you will be limited to maximum of six passengers.

If you take more than six passengers your boat will have to pass a USCG inspection.

Also you will need to have a work permit before you can legally do business in the US.

Not sure if it is required by law (I think it is) but you will definitely want to get insurance if you carry passengers. Someone falls overboard and sues you could lose everything you own.
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Here is a link to the basic USCG regulations for taking passengers.

http://wow.uscgaux.info/Uploads_wowI...GuideChart.pdf
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Re: Private charter in US.

US has lots of laws, many of which are never enforced. You cant pick up passengers at the Airport without a Taxi License, unless you are Uber in which case you do all your business on the internet and the government allows you to ignore the laws. You cannot rent out your house one night at a time since you dont have a hotel license and are not zoned for commercial business, but if you do it on the Internet as AirBnB, the government does not enforce the laws. Seems the Internet is the Magic Wand of new business models.
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One other thing to do it legally that people frequently forget, not only do you need a US Flagged vessel, but it must have been manufactured in the USA and documented for “coastwise” service. You can get an exemption For a foreign built vessel, but it is very time consuming.

Also, with respect to the OP, to get a US Captains license you need to be a US citizen.
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for fun? yes.
for pay? absolutely not.
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One other thing to do it legally that people frequently forget, not only do you need a US Flagged vessel, but it must have been manufactured in the USA and documented for “coastwise” service. You can get an exemption For a foreign built vessel, but it is very time consuming.

Also, with respect to the OP, to get a US Captains license you need to be a US citizen.
jones act exemptions are also very, very rarely approved.
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Thanks, I understand.
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Re: Private charter in US.

The short answer is no. Even in the wild west of the BVI you need a Small Commercial Vessel Certificate ($600 a year), Radio Station License ($60) and a BVI masters ticket to carry passengers, which they will usually issue to you (for a fee) if you have a similar license issued by a major country.

You cannot operate a foreign flag vessel in US commerce. You cannot own a US flag vessel unless you are a United States citizen. A foreign built vessel cannot be used in US commerce, even by a US citizen, without a waiver from the US Maritime Administration (was $500). The operator must have at least a OUPV (6-pack) license and commercial insurance up the wasu for operation in and out of US ports and marinas.

I know we've all heard about Pres. Trump reducing regulations that are strangling businesses, and its true, but he hasn't gotten to the maritime industry yet.
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jones act exemptions are also very, very rarely approved.
For anyone who might be interested, that is actually not true. Or, you don't ask for an "exemption" through the Coast Guard documentation service...

The process is to go through your congressman. They insert a tiny little amendment clause in a budget bill or other legislation that says "Not withstanding any other limitations, the vessel 'Name' with official number 'xxxxxxx' can be documented for fisheries and coastwise service."

And, Presto!, you get something useful out of the sausage factory that is Congress. Forever afterwards your USCG Documentation will be approved for Coastwise and Fisheries service no matter where she was built.

Dozens of these are done every year. If you are from Kansas, your congressman might need some help with the process, but if you are from Florida, I can assure you they know exactly how it works.
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