Let's talk cruising in British Columbia

[TrentePieds]

Well, since we've been busy talking up "Lotusland" (a term coined by the famous Canadian journalist "Dr. Foth" - Allan Fotheringham of The Vancouver Sun and McLeans fame) I thot NedX might like this (self-explanatory) clip from Seymour Narrows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W9PV_s_zF4

And to further his familiarity with Canadian acronyms: In what was 60 years ago a little town of no consequence in "The Valley" (meaning specifically the Fraser Valley), there was a left-over "aerodrome" from the time of "Hitler's War". The aerodrome had been built, I thnik in 1943, as part of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. As an aside, it is where I learned to fly sailplanes. The "aerodrome" was, maybe in the '80s, re-labelled "airport" and became a relief airport for Vancouver International (YVR) which can often suffer from fog. The IATA designation given to the relief airport at Abbotsford was YXX, and it was, then, used mainly by a small but aggressive regional airline called Westjet.

Well, some sly bugger in Westjet's advertising department with a wink in the direction of our "American cousins" renamed that little airport EZR in all the airline's propaganda. And today that is how we compare Abbotsford International with Vancouver International — it's EZR :-)

TP

[NedX]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

Well, since we've been busy talking up "Lotusland" (a term coined by the famous Canadian journalist "Dr. Foth" - Allan Fotheringham of The Vancouver Sun and McLeans fame) I thot NedX might like this (self-explanatory) clip from Seymour Narrows

And to further his familiarity with Canadian acronyms: In what was 60 years ago a little town of no consequence in "The Valley" (meaning specifically the Fraser Valley), there was a left-over "aerodrome" from the time of "Hitler's War". The aerodrome had been built, I thnik in 1943, as part of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. As an aside, it is where I learned to fly sailplanes. The "aerodrome" was, maybe in the '80s, re-labelled "airport" and became a relief airport for Vancouver International (YVR) which can often suffer from fog. The IATA designation given to the relief airport at Abbotsford was YXX, and it was, then, used mainly by a small but aggressive regional airline called Westjet.

Well, some sly bugger in Westjet's advertising department with a wink in the direction of our "American cousins" renamed that little airport EZR in all the airline's propaganda. And today that is how we compare Abbotsford International with Vancouver International — it's EZR :-)

TP

Great vid! Regarding EZR (Canadians have all the best lines), Sioux City oughta hire that guy.

[Uricanejack]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

OK, let's bring up the term "Pacific Northwest" (PNW)...

British Columbians do NOT call it (BC waters) the PNW.

British Columbia is what we call it (more recently, the ocean are in the southern portion of BC is called the Salish Sea. (Even "Lotusland".) But not PNW.

(Actually, BC would be in the SOUTHwest of Canada. And we are in the Eastern Pacific.)

I live in the SGI and sail SE to get to The PNW,

First time I made a big mistake, I kept on going to get to port of entry Friday Harbour on a Monday evening. I phone the customs no.
Eventually a really grumpy Border Guard showed up.

When he found out I had come from Sydney and passed Roche Harbour durning the Afternoon,
I was informed I should never do that again at least not on a Monday when the Seahawks were playing Monday night football.

[NedX]

Originally Posted by Uricanejack

I live in the SGI and sail SE to get to The PNW,

First time I made a big mistake, I kept on going to get to port of entry Friday Harbour on a Monday evening. I phone the customs no.
Eventually a really grumpy Border Guard showed up.

When he found out I had come from Sydney and passed Roche Harbour durning the Afternoon,
I was informed I should never do that again at least not on a Monday when the Seahawks were playing Monday night football.

Definitely a mortal sin.

So Lotusland is a nickname for waters around BC but Salish Sea is the (seemingly uncharted) official name of the body of water that runs into Puget Sound on the U.S. side. And you have Gulf Islands but no gulf. I can live with this, given white bears and petroglyphs.

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by NedX

So this variation doesn't influence the color of the offspring? Unlike, say, blue eyes? So she's white and the cub is as black as any black bear? In. Sane.

(Newsflash: I'm not a biologist or zoologist)

BC ( s/v Pelagia) really sells itself

My understanding is that the vast majority of black bears have two genes that say "colour me black". A very few (mostly in that area) have a dominant gene that says "colour me black" and a recessive one "colour me white". The cub gets one gene from each parent. If both are black, or if one is black and the other white, then the cub is black (3/4 of the time) - regardless of the colour of the parents. But if the cub gets two white genes (1/4 of the time), one from each parent, regardless of their colour, then the cub will be white.

[desodave]

Sorry ... but there is a Gulf, it's called the Gulf of Georgia and the southern Gulf Islands are part of it. The Discovery Islands in my area are often referred to as the northern Gulf Islands - same Gulf. Wikipedia defines it:


The term "Gulf of Georgia" includes waters other than the Georgia Strait proper, such as the inter-insular straits and channels of the Gulf Islands, and may refer to communities on the shore of southern Vancouver Island. As defined by George Vancouver in 1792, the Gulf of Georgia included all the inland waters beyond the eastern end of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, including Puget Sound, Bellingham Bay, the waters around the San Juan Islands, as well as the Strait of Georgia.


Never heard of either term being applied to Texada, Lasqueti, Hornby or Denman Islands sitting more centrally in the Gulf/Strait/Sea, however. The Salish Sea combines the Gulf of Georgia with Puget Sound in the USA.

Now .... does that make us part of the PNW?

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by NedX

Definitely a mortal sin.

So Lotusland is a nickname for waters around BC but Salish Sea is the (seemingly uncharted) official name of the body of water that runs into Puget Sound on the U.S. side. And you have Gulf Islands but no gulf. I can live with this, given white bears and petroglyphs.

Georgia Strait (part of the recently named Salish Sea which includes Puget Sound and Juan de Fuca Strait in homage to the local indigenous people [the Salish] who didn't realize there was a boundary before we came along and drew one) is also known as the Gulf of Georgia - particularly by old-timers like the commercial fishermen who have pulled SO many salmon out of there.

[NedX]

Originally Posted by desodave

Sorry ... but there is a Gulf, it's called the Gulf of Georgia and the southern Gulf Islands are part of it. The Discovery Islands in my area are often referred to as the northern Gulf Islands - same Gulf. Wikipedia defines it:


The term "Gulf of Georgia" includes waters other than the Georgia Strait proper, such as the inter-insular straits and channels of the Gulf Islands, and may refer to communities on the shore of southern Vancouver Island. As defined by George Vancouver in 1792, the Gulf of Georgia included all the inland waters beyond the eastern end of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, including Puget Sound, Bellingham Bay, the waters around the San Juan Islands, as well as the Strait of Georgia.


Never heard of either term being applied to Texada, Lasqueti, Hornby or Denman Islands sitting more centrally in the Gulf/Strait/Sea, however. The Salish Sea combines the Gulf of Georgia with Puget Sound in the USA.

Now .... does that make us part of the PNW?

LOL it never ends

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by desodave

Sorry ... but there is a Gulf, it's called the Gulf of Georgia and the southern Gulf Islands are part of it. The Discovery Islands in my area are often referred to as the northern Gulf Islands - same Gulf.

But that's the point - there isn't a gulf. Vancouver called it a gulf, before they worked out it was the wide area of a strait that continued north. Why they've kept the moniker from the 18th century is any guess. Should call them the Strait Islands, or the Salish Islands. And Discovery Islands should stay that way.

[NedX]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

Georgia Strait (part of the recently named Salish Sea which includes Puget Sound and Juan de Fuca Strait in homage to the local indigenous people [the Salish] who didn't realize there was a boundary before we came along and drew one) is also known as the Gulf of Georgia - particularly by old-timers like the commercial fishermen who have pulled SO many salmon out of there.

Good to know! This is why I'd love to see a united chart system. I'm curious, do the Canadian government charts reflect the Salish Sea name?

The U.S. one does not. https://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18421.shtml

Maybe I'll write NOAA a letter.

[Eder]

When I hear someone use the term PNW I immediately think of Seattle.
btw it may have previously been mentioned but the Dreamspeaker guides


https://www.dreamspeakerguides.com/


are valuable for the first couple years for any sailor newer to the Left Coast.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

Well, since we've been busy talking up "Lotusland" (a term coined by the famous Canadian journalist "Dr. Foth" - Allan Fotheringham of The Vancouver Sun and McLeans fame)

TP

Actually, the term "Lotus Land" was used to describe British Columbia long before Fotheringham (though I remember his 1996 Macleans article well... he was so out-of-touch with his province of birth).

Records of use of the term go back at least as far as 1911 https://www.dchp.ca/dchp2/Entries/view/lotus%252520land

[Scorpius]

Originally Posted by Eder

When I hear someone use the term PNW I immediately think of Seattle.
btw it may have previously been mentioned but the Dreamspeaker guides


https://www.dreamspeakerguides.com/


are valuable for the first couple years for any sailor newer to the Left Coast.

Seattle IS in the PNW of the U.S. Vancouver, and particularly Victoria, are in the PSW (never heard it before. Just invented it) of Canada. Prince Rupert is located in the PNW of Canada (again, never heard the term used that way).

[nwdiver]

Originally Posted by desodave

Sorry ... but there is a Gulf, it's called the Gulf of Georgia and the southern Gulf Islands are part of it. The Discovery Islands in my area are often referred to as the northern Gulf Islands - same Gulf. Wikipedia defines it:


The term "Gulf of Georgia" includes waters other than the Georgia Strait proper, such as the inter-insular straits and channels of the Gulf Islands, and may refer to communities on the shore of southern Vancouver Island. As defined by George Vancouver in 1792, the Gulf of Georgia included all the inland waters beyond the eastern end of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, including Puget Sound, Bellingham Bay, the waters around the San Juan Islands, as well as the Strait of Georgia.


Never heard of either term being applied to Texada, Lasqueti, Hornby or Denman Islands sitting more centrally in the Gulf/Strait/Sea, however. The Salish Sea combines the Gulf of Georgia with Puget Sound in the USA.

Now .... does that make us part of the PNW?

OK, I have pointed this out multiple times the PNW term is so land centric........I really hate it.......IT’S THE PNE...... my god we are talking about boats, the PNW is in Russia.......

[redhead]

You know, after reading all the wonderful descriptions I really think we ought to stop. We will be inundated with sailors from gawd knows where thinking they can come here and put up with "a little rain" in order to see the rest of this spectacular stuff.

Ned X promise you won't tell anyone else.