"Evicted": Marina Won't Renew Contract for Next Year to maximize Profit

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

As I said earlier, there is vast research on questions of social mobility. If you just google "social mobility" and add whatever country you want, you'll come up with a long list of papers. I posted one earlier. Here is another. It's useful since it involves an OECD-wide comparison.



Intergenerational Social Mobility

in OECD Countries





The paper goes on at length, and is a good read for anyone honestly interested in examining the topic. It's certainly not just an American issue. As I said, ALL developed countries face various shades of the social fossilization.

What makes some people stay within their comfort level, while others drive themselves to be different from their peers?

Very complex subject Mike and I think more psychological than sociological

[redneckrob]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Actually, the govt stopped people from making more waterfront. There are many areas with extensive residential canal systems built that could never be built with today's rules.

Similarly, you have socialist havens like SanFran where they complain about housing prices while implementing rules that effectively prohibit home building unless it's multimillion dollar McMansions.

Funny how that works.

You can build a house with no problem in San Francisco, the issue is that it's on a peninsula and every buildable lot already has a house on it. I watched dozens of houses being built in my neighborhood while I lived there, they just had to tear down an existing house to do it. I'm assuming you're throwing this out based on actual knowledge of the situation, so I'd be interested in hearing what specific policy are you referring to there and which specific policy is preventing new marinas from being built. Blaming the 'gumnt us popular is some circles, but not very useful if you can't point to actual specific laws and the specific parts of those laws that need to be modified.

[sail sfbay]

Building lots, without teardown, available on the water overlooking San Francisco at Brickyard Cove Marina in Point Richmond where I keep my sailboat.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

What makes some people stay within their comfort level, while others drive themselves to be different from their peers?

Very complex subject Mike and I think more psychological than sociological

Indeed. The paper references some of that complexity as well. But it's also a measurable fact to compare children's wealth & education vs parental wealth and education. In some countries, these two states correlate closer than others. This is what researchers are measuring when they consider the ease of social mobility.

... and I'm not even sure why we're discussing this here. As usual, things have drifted far from the OP's query.

[redneckrob]

Originally Posted by sail sfbay

Building lots, without teardown, available on the water overlooking San Francisco at Brickyard Cove Marina in Point Richmond where I keep my sailboat.

That's East Bay, not San Francisco, right

In any event, I'm sure you will agree there's no "socialist" government regulation preventing building on those lots?

[danstanford]

Originally Posted by redneckrob

That's East Bay, not San Francisco, right

In any event, I'm sure you will agree there's no "socialist" government regulation preventing building on those lots?

I have no knowledge of the Approvals Process in either of these jurisdictions but I do know housing development has been restrained in many cities due to the costs of servicing the land or the availability of sufficient volume of some services like waste water treatment.

Socialist, no, but a very real bottleneck nonetheless.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by redneckrob

That's East Bay, not San Francisco, right

In any event, I'm sure you will agree there's no "socialist" government regulation preventing building on those lots?

San Francisco is a victim of its own success. With the climate, recreational opportunities, and general "coolness" of the place... many want to live there.

There us, unfortunately, considerable resistance to greater housing density. Seems the beautiful people don't want any more beautiful people.

[ixnax]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

You may do that, but most don't. Some of the hardest working people are the working poor. Do you see them getting much respect in our societies? Certainly not here in Canada and the USA.



I think your perspective is commendable, but quite different given where you reside.



Agreed. That's why I keep saying the OP's situation appears to me to simply be capitalism operating as intended.

I think one could decide to measure or allocate scare resources in other ways, as others have alluded to here in this thread. But in a capitalist society, a scare resource is allocated and valued based on the profit it brings in. As the saying goes, "It's not personal, it's just business."

I live in a town of 4000. A decade ago a Mexican couple with a young kid moved into town and opened a Taco Truck. The City put them out on the far side of town for the usual reasons. They were open 7 days a week, 10 hours a day; as in 70 hours a week open for business not including shopping etc. The chow was fantastic and even in a crap location they did a great business. The kid was always in the truck after school getting help with his lessons. After a few years they were allowed to move into the center of town and business really took off. Fast forward several years and not only have they upgraded their original taco truck to a newer model but they hired people to run it while they reopened a closed restaurant 5 miles away. Now they are also running mobile taco trailers for parties and events. The point of the story is that while I agree with you 100% that society and our conventions create impediments to success for some it's not a truism. If someone wants to bounce along the bottom of the river of life taking what comes with little effort, well, that's on offer, no problemo. If, on the other hand, you don't want the orts left on the plates of others for your evening repast then there are plenty of opportunities to bust your ass to get a better supper. Even better, if your first hard try fails, more chances to succeed through hard work are readily available.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by ixnax

I live in a town of 4000. A decade ago a Mexican couple with a young kid moved into town and opened a Taco Truck. The City put them out on the far side of town for the usual reasons. They were open 7 days a week, 10 hours a day; as in 70 hours a week open for business not including shopping etc. The chow was fantastic and even in a crap location they did a great business. The kid was always in the truck after school getting help with his lessons. After a few years they were allowed to move into the center of town and business really took off. Fast forward several years and not only have they upgraded their original taco truck to a newer model but they hired people to run it while they reopened a closed restaurant 5 miles away. Now they are also running mobile taco trailers for parties and events. The point of the story is that while I agree with you 100% that society and our conventions create impediments to success for some it's not a truism. If someone wants to bounce along the bottom of the river of life taking what comes with little effort, well, that's on offer, no problemo. If, on the other hand, you don't want the orts left on the plates of others for your evening repast then there are plenty of opportunities to bust your ass to get a better supper. Even better, if your first hard try fails, more chances to succeed through hard work are readily available.

As I said, I was not making a blanket statement. I rarely see the world in binary terms. I'm also guided by reality, and the reality says that while your anecdote shows what is possible, it doesn't mean it's probable.

[Frogs]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Link to these studies. I've not seen them. There is vast evidence which links parental wealth to the wealth of their offspring.

Do you have a link for your claim?

https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/28...-got-rich.html
2/3 millionaires are self-made.

[ixnax]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

As I said, I was not making a blanket statement. I rarely see the world in binary terms. I'm also guided by reality, and the reality says that while your anecdote shows what is possible, it doesn't mean it's probable.

I humbly disagree. The possible v. probable comparison assumes equal efforts by all parties. That's just not what happens in the real world. Obviously, hard work, fidelity to your cause, and a desire to better yourself are not guarantees. But for damn sure they will give you a vastly better shot at success than anything less.

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Some of the hardest working people are the working poor. Do you see them getting much respect in our societies? Certainly not here in Canada and the USA.
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I sure do! On our shore the Mexicans work their tails off, and are respected for their work on the apple farms and roofing. Their income is far better than in DF, and they do pretty good- in some cases they make very good money. We shop in the same stores, drink in the same pubs. Many are setting up for the next generation, as did my German forebears.

Hardest working poor? That’s my background. Going back generations, 40 hours is a joke. I read these BS stats based on affordability of housing based on 40 hours. How about 2 people working 80 hours each? Now let’s see the math, and throw in subsidized food and housing.

Other groups I won’t name aren’t as hard working as the Mexicans. And urban schittbags, it’s a cesspool of crime.


But back to OP , I’ll still bet he’s not a victim of capitalism, but somebody that’s simply unwanted in the marina. Occams Razor.

[Frogs]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Indeed. The paper references some of that complexity as well. But it's also a measurable fact to compare children's wealth & education vs parental wealth and education. In some countries, these two states correlate closer than others. This is what researchers are measuring when they consider the ease of social mobility.

... and I'm not even sure why we're discussing this here. As usual, things have drifted far from the OP's query.

I did look through all 38 pages of the article you posted. No where does it suggest that the majority of the rich started out rich.

Most wealthy people are first generation (https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/28...-got-rich.html). At least in North America. This isn't to say that having rich parents isn't helpful -- 1/3 rich people had rich parents. But that's not the typical scenario.

With regards to the OP, as others have pointed out, those of us with boats are already in a highly privileged lot to begin with. And slips are, in essence, asking for exclusive use of a very valuable piece of real estate that there is very finite availability of. Therefore, it's going to be subject to supply and demand.

For all of us struggling to find slips, at any price, I'm not sure what alternative there is.

[Mike OReilly]

It's all very interesting what each of our personal (biased) experiences tell us. This is why I point to actual research on the topic. And the actual research shows there is a high correlation between parental wealth/education and their children's wealth/education in the USA (and many other developed countries).

As for anecdotes, I see a very different world. But that's why personal anecdote is typically the worst kind of data. It's too biased and unreliable to be of much value.

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

As for anecdotes, I see a very different world. But that's why personal anecdote is typically the worst kind of data. It's too biased and unreliable to be of much value.

Mike, I've always struggled with defining the difference between the study of Sociology and Psychology.

"Social psychology focuses on individuals and studies how society and social factors affect individuals' behavior. Sociology focuses on social systems and studies groups within society, as well as society as a whole, to understand how people behave as part of a social system."

They seem so interrelated that the data would always be suspect and bias.

For example it could be argued that an individual from a poor family has a much stronger desire to excel in gaining wealth than someone born into an already wealthy family.

That was my case and friends I knew with trust funds had a far more relaxed work ethic than I.

So which part of society is disadvantaged when it comes to motivation?