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[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Is this a serious assertion and question or are you just yanking our chains? And I am asking a serious question - I am totally puzzled by this.

Sure its serious. The guy mentioned poor indians in Canada. And I asked him a question about it, referring to info I had heard. If he doesnt know the answer, he could just admit it, right?

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

The activists are the former, the 'useful idiots', are the latter. Socialism/marxism has a bad name/reputation, so those guys(or you too?), just hide , or deny, and call themselves by euphemisms such as 'progressives'

Well, maybe in your little dark corner of the world it has a 'bad name/reputation', but in the wider US, not so much:

Fraction of people who have a positive view of socialism:
61% of democrats
41% of independents
9% of republicans

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ffiliation-us/

I am sure you can find some polls that show lower support, but that is not the point - the point is that it is not quite as toxic of a word as you think it is*. The democratic number is higher than I would have guessed, but a clear majority. What really surprised me was the independents - they are a key bloc in the US and what they think matters. That 9% of republicans endorse it is mind-blowing to me. One of every 11 republicans? Would love to understand that better.

Even more important is that millennials view it even more favorably - it is probably a statistical tie, but socialism got a higher endorsement than did capitalism in that demographic.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/...ng-adults.aspx

And yes, I know, people get more conservative as they get older. And yes, I know, it might well be one of those things that people think they like the idea of it only because they don't know much about it and if given a dispassionate education about it, the support might well go down.

But the point being, it is not nearly as toxic as you think it is. Beware the right wing echo chamber.

*And of course I should have known it was getting more popular - the right is not screaming, red-faced, bug-eyed "SOCIALIST!" for nothing. They see the polls too and that rise is a threat to their minority rule.

[danstanford]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Ive heard they all get free education, thus could become professionals like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. Is that true?

Originally Posted by wingssail

Yep, That's true. They have their own Harvard, funded by the proceeds from the baby killing Pizza parler owners. And Yes, it is free.

Not only could they become doctors, engineers, accountants but they do, In fact they all are!

They just don't practice in those fields because of religous preferences.

Originally Posted by David Ess

Sure its serious. The guy mentioned poor indians in Canada. And I asked him a question about it, referring to info I had heard. If he doesnt know the answer, he could just admit it, right?

I admit that I do not know if they can get those kinds of programs covered but I didn't answer because that is not the point I was making.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Well, maybe in your little dark corner of the world it has a 'bad name/reputation', but in the wider US, not so much:

Fraction of people who have a positive view of socialism:
61% of democrats
41% of independents
9% of republicans

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ffiliation-us/

I am sure you can find some polls that show lower support, but that is not the point - the point is that it is not quite as toxic of a word as you think it is*. The democratic number is higher than I would have guessed, but a clear majority. What really surprised me was the independents - they are a key bloc in the US and what they think matters. That 9% of republicans endorse it is mind-blowing to me. One of every 11 republicans? Would love to understand that better.

Even more important is that millennials view it even more favorably - it is probably a statistical tie, but socialism got a higher endorsement than did capitalism in that demographic.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/...ng-adults.aspx

And yes, I know, people get more conservative as they get older. And yes, I know, it might well be one of those things that people think they like the idea of it only because they don't know much about it and if given a dispassionate education about it, the support might well go down.

But the point being, it is not nearly as toxic as you think it is. Beware the right wing echo chamber.

*And of course I should have known it was getting more popular - the right is not screaming, red-faced, bug-eyed "SOCIALIST!" for nothing. They see the polls too and that rise is a threat to their minority rule.

I've only seen Bernie Sanders admit he is a socialist/marxist. Very few other politicians. But if you are coming out and admitting it, that's fine(just dont try running for office).

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Ok, now seeing this post, I have to conclude that these are actually serious and not jokes or sarcasm.

Probably it would be a good idea for you to head down to the virtual public library* and get a book or two on social conditions on our reservations and then get back to us with some opinions. It's a pretty big topic (way too big for a forum like this) but important.


*paid for by taxes, for the benefit of people who want to learn, to better themselves and the wider society. A good concept.

Let's try this way...hey Lestersails, is it true the indians get free education , including to college level, professional programs? If you dont know, no problem.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Well, maybe in your little dark corner of the world it has a 'bad name/reputation', but in the wider US, not so much:

Fraction of people who have a positive view of socialism:
61% of democrats
41% of independents
9% of republicans

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ffiliation-us/

I am sure you can find some polls that show lower support, but that is not the point - the point is that it is not quite as toxic of a word as you think it is*.

Well, the game is played this way: if anyone expresses an idea that, however remotely, looks with less than complete horror at concepts like "working together", sharing or helping out, altruism, "we" vs "I", etc, the right-wingers yell "socialism". Then they lump the commenter in with Marxists, all the failed communist regimes, references to Cuba and Venezuela, the whole package.

So yeah, it becomes a pretty toxic word in their hands.

Other recruited attack words for anyone expressing concern or consideration for a fellow human: "social justice warrior", woke, virtue-signalling.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Well, the game is played this way: if anyone expresses an idea that, however remotely, looks with less than complete horror at ideas like "working together", sharing or helping out, altruism, "we" vs "I", etc, the right-wingers yell "socialism". Then they lump the commenter in with Marxists, all the failed communist regimes, references to Cuba and Venezuela, the whole package.

So yeah, it becomes a pretty toxic word in their hands.

Other recruited attack words for anyone expressing concern or consideration for a fellow human: "social justice warrior", woke, virtue-signalling.

Everybody knows there are many kinds of socialists, and usually when we ask you guys which kind , you never tell us. Once I told a guy I didnt mind the gov of the time in Chile that called itself socislist, but ran the freest economy in latin America. He didnt like that kind, most of you guys dont like much freedom.at all.

[Larry Florida]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Well, maybe in your little dark corner of the world it has a 'bad name/reputation', but in the wider US, not so much:

Fraction of people who have a positive view of socialism:
61% of democrats
41% of independents
9% of republicans

Only 61%?? Democrats are for anything that gives them free stuff.

No shortage of idiots in The USA tho that's for sure.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Larry Florida

Only 61%?? Democrats are for anything that gives them free stuff.

No shortage of idiots in The USA tho that's for sure.

And I dint belive it for a minute, seems like they all want free stuff.

[sail sfbay]

Nokay............so what is your plan?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

...most of you guys dont like much freedom.at all.

Riiiight... thanks for the confirmation.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Larry Florida

Only 61%?? Democrats are for anything that gives them free stuff.

No shortage of idiots in The USA tho that's for sure.

David Ess made the claim that 'socialist' is a bad word. I countered with data suggesting that plenty of people (including 9% of republicans!) hold a positive view of it.

Can you not come back with an intelligent rejoinder? Or is a gratuitous slight on nearly half of Americans the best you can do?

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Everybody knows there are many kinds of socialists, and usually when we ask you guys which kind , you never tell us. Once I told a guy I didnt mind the gov of the time in Chile that called itself socislist, but ran the freest economy in latin America. He didnt like that kind, most of you guys dont like much freedom.at all.

Ones elected in free and fair elections, to start with. A lot of people confuse socialism with dictatorships. Dictators are bad, bad news: socialist, communist, fascist, or whatever. Some of the scandinavian countries drift back and forth across the socialist-capitalist spectrum, according to the will of their electorates. The consent of the governed, right?

So long as they are freely and fairly elected and don't violate the constitution, that is what democracy is all about isn't it? Is there something in the constitution that you have found that specifies which parties are allowed to govern and which are not?

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Let's try this way...hey Lestersails, is it true the indians get free education , including to college level, professional programs? If you dont know, no problem.

No, I believe that is not true.

[Larry Florida]

Originally Posted by lestersails

David Ess made the claim that 'socialist' is a bad word. I countered with data suggesting that plenty of people (including 9% of republicans!) hold a positive view of it.

Can you not come back with an intelligent rejoinder? Or is a gratuitous slight on nearly half of Americans the best you can do?

That's the best I can do given the time I want to invest in an online comment. Anyone who likes socialism should move to a socialist country.