"Evicted": Marina Won't Renew Contract for Next Year to maximize Profit

[danstanford]

Originally Posted by lestersails

True as well for the Native American populations in the US. To date, deeply intractable poverty in general. I don't actually know, but I have the impression that the casino gig has led to economic improvement for some tribes, even if I am not totally comfortable with casinos.

Agree with you that transformative approaches are needed. I suspect you and I would agree that we disagree with Grover Norquist and his drones who believe that all government is bad government and it should be 'drowned in a bathtub'. Good government is scarce and frustratingly slow, but the right thing to do is to continue to try to make it work better.

Absolutely we are in alignment with your/Grover's assertion about government. Where I struggle today is the number of us who claim to be victims of policy when we have the power to elect different people if the current ones are not acting as needed. Clearly I do understand that what is needed is up for debate.

For what it is worth, I believe we have the power to change corporate priorities as well if reward them with our purchasing dollars for doing the right things.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

True as well for the Native American populations in the US. To date, deeply intractable poverty in general. I don't actually know, but I have the impression that the casino gig has led to economic improvement for some tribes, even if I am not totally comfortable with casinos.

Agree with you that transformative approaches are needed. I suspect you and I would agree that we disagree with Grover Norquist and his drones who believe that all government is bad government and it should be 'drowned in a bathtub'. Good government is scarce and frustratingly slow, but the right thing to do is to continue to try to make it work better.

Ive heard they all get free education, thus could become professionals like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. Is that true?

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Ive heard they all get free education, thus could become professionals like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. Is that true?

Yep, That's true. They have their own Harvard, funded by the proceeds from the baby killing Pizza parler owners. And Yes, it is free.

Not only could they become doctors, engineers, accountants but they do, In fact they all are!

They just don't practice in those fields because of religous preferences.

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by Bycrick

I’m talking less about what the tax rates are, or should be, than I am about the perpetual whining of people who's position seems to be that taxes should be raised on somebody else rather than them. The complaint that "they" should pay more taxes, while at the same time complaining that theirs are too high...

Are you making this up Bycrick? Is it a strawman? Tell us who is perpetually whining and espousing that position?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Yes, you argued before for what YOU consider 'reasonable, 'fair'. And it was pointed out that such terms are too subjective to have any meaning.

Well, I simply said that there are countries that are perceived to be doing better or worse socially, both by their own population and by outside observers. Example. Their call, not mine. And you can take such lists, and compare them with the taxation as a %age of GDP, and draw your own conclusions. If you're willing; I don't want to drive out of your comfort zone.

[danstanford]

Ive heard they all get free education, thus could become professionals like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. Is that true?
They have their own Harvard, funded by the proceeds from the baby killing Pizza parler owners.

Not cool Guys, the discussion is about the slanted field and what needs to be done to level it. I mentioned Aboriginals only because it is an area here where the social programs and post-secondary education programs are top drawer and still we have poverty and suffering.

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by David Ess

...Second, mostly left wingers try to hide , or deny, or dont even know their positions are socialist/marxist...

So you are saying that most left wingers are intentionally hiding or denying their true objectives? Or are too stupid to know their positions?

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Yep, That's true. They have their own Harvard, funded by the proceeds from the baby killing Pizza parler owners. And Yes, it is free.

Not only could they become doctors, engineers, accountants but they do, In fact they all are!

They just don't practice in those fields because of religous preferences.

Got it, youre not a serious interlocutor.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by wingssail

So you are saying that most left wingers are intentionally hiding or denying their true objectives? Or are too stupid to know their positions?

The activists are the former, the 'useful idiots', are the latter. Socialism/marxism has a bad name/reputation, so those guys(or you too?), just hide , or deny, and call themselves by euphemisms such as 'progressives'

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by danstanford

Ive heard they all get free education, thus could become professionals like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. Is that true?
They have their own Harvard, funded by the proceeds from the baby killing Pizza parler owners.

Not cool Guys, the discussion is about the slanted field and what needs to be done to level it. I mentioned Aboriginals only because it is an area here where the social programs and post-secondary education programs are top drawer and still we have poverty and suffering.

So if the indians get free education, and medical care too we know, what would be preventing them from getting out of poverty.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Well, I simply said that there are countries that are perceived to be doing better or worse socially, both by their own population and by outside observers. Example. Their call, not mine. And you can take such lists, and compare them with the taxation as a %age of GDP, and draw your own conclusions. If you're willing; I don't want to drive out of your comfort zone.

Subjective, the NYTimes used to have reporters saying the old USSR was better. Entertainer flakes like Sean Penn etc say Cuba is better.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Are you making this up Bycrick? Is it a strawman? Tell us who is perpetually whining and espousing that position?

Wingsail....seems like you havnt read the whole thread.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Ive heard they all get free education, thus could become professionals like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. Is that true?

Is this a serious assertion and question or are you just yanking our chains? And I am asking a serious question - I am totally puzzled by this.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

So if the indians get free education, and medical care too we know, what would be preventing them from getting out of poverty.

Ok, now seeing this post, I have to conclude that these are actually serious and not jokes or sarcasm.

Probably it would be a good idea for you to head down to the virtual public library* and get a book or two on social conditions on our reservations and then get back to us with some opinions. It's a pretty big topic (way too big for a forum like this) but important.


*paid for by taxes, for the benefit of people who want to learn, to better themselves and the wider society. A good concept.

[Bycrick]

Of course the left is spinning their position. But so is the right. Go back and read 1984. The "war" department becomes the "defense" department because it sounds better. "Pro abortion" becomes "pro choice." "Anti-abortion" becomes "pro life" because it isn’t nice to be negative. I once worked at an installation that was run by the then Atomic Energy Commision. It’s been renamed at least four times since trying to find a name that doesn’t offend somebody. "Atomic weapons" sounds bad, so we will call them "special weapons." Etc. The AEC becomes the more neutral Department of Energy.

What one person calls "taking land by eminent domain for the greater good" somebody else is likely to call "government theft" and "socialism." Which one largely depends on who’s winning and who’s losing.