"Evicted": Marina Won't Renew Contract for Next Year to maximize Profit

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by wingssail

A person, generally a right winger, hears something he does not agree with and decides that the speaker is one of those evil socialists, or communists, or "woke" and then attributes to them every possible bad thing he can imagine (because they are all like that). Often applies labels which can inflame the haters of his group. It's a habit used by the right to gin up anger and contempt so he and his buddies can all agree to hate the lib based on whatever lies they imagined.

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This one gets the award for monumental irony.

Not only did you do everything you just condemned but you apparently don’t know you do/did it.

Adorable!

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

It ain't no insinuation my friend, it is the stark reality. While I am fine with capitalism, practiced at everyday levels (like how salad dressing is priced), the über rich are depriving everyone else (not just the poor) their place at the table.
The middle class, at least in the US, is being slowly, but surely hollowed out from the inside. The 1% (and worse, the 0.001%) are relentlessly pressing this. It will continue, because the über rich own the politicians who will do their bidding.
A healthy, large, middle class population ties up a lot of wealth across a lot of people. A very small group have become fabulously wealthy by relentless taking a little bit at a time away from the huge middle class. The middle class is getting screwed. They are starting to figure it out, and they are getting really angry about it.

So, in one way, our OP's complaint is kinda silly. Nobody deserves a berth for their boat at the price they want to pay. In another way, the OP's complaint is fundamentally correct and profound. What happened to him is a microcosm for a lot of things that are seriously out of whack and all signs are they on track to continue in that direction. It will not turn out well.

You dont show HOW rich people are depriving others. Be specific.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Hey Mike - here's one for you.
T Denny Sanford ran a bank that specialized in sub-prime lending. They issued credit cards to low-income people. He was fined at one point for issuing a credit card with a $300 limit that charged 79.9% interest.
He goes on to make billions of dollars with this business model. Then, he gives a small portion of his fortune to children's hospitals.
A friggin' Saint of Capitalism!

You just gave an example of a VIOLATION of capitalism. It was a gov decision, policy, to print lots of extra fiat currency for banks to dole out to unqualified people. It was a big-gov problem, not capitalism at all. That guy and others just gamed the system, a system that distorted the economy.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

Having problems with comprehension of the English language?

Hard to take 'crimes against the biosphere', of which humanity is an integral, but certainly not necessary part, seriously --- which is, of course, one of the reasons the fat cats get away with committing them, and why we let them.

Just realized I left out a crucial word in the last sentence, in case anyone's paying attention. It should read

"Hard to take 'crimes against the biosphere', of which humanity is an integral, but certainly not necessary part, personally seriously --- which is, of course, one of the reasons the fat cats get away with committing them, and why we let them."

which answers the second objection in David Ess's #425 question.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by David Ess

You just gave an example of a VIOLATION of capitalism. It was a gov decision, policy, to print lots of extra fiat currency for banks to dole out to unqualified people. It was a big-gov problem, not capitalism at all. That guy and others just gamed the system, a system that distorted the economy.

So, it's a failure of the regulators and policy makers... the same regulators and policy makers that have been bought and controlled by big finance. This is the problem of extreme wealth; it breeds extreme power.

Most agree this is not really capitalism, but rather what is now called crony capitalism, or faux capitalism, or socialist-capitalism for rich, and true capitalism for the rest of us. However you characterize the problem, the issue stems from a concentration of power in few hands such that they can distort governance and regulation to suit their needs.

[Larry Florida]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Freely operating business is definitely capitalism.

Freely operating businesses compete for customers whereas marinas are effectively monopolies. Even if there are 10 marinas in a bay they collectively act as a monopoly all charging top dollar.

Somewhat similar to big landlords in major cities who have had to be highly regulated for the good of the city.

My solution is to use the smallest boat for my needs, 30 ft. The marina prices suck but they suck even more for the 40 ft boat. At 35 ft and above the marina requires a minimum of $1000 of marina services - oil change, winterizing etc. No thank you!!

[danstanford]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Shhhh. Most well-off people want you to believe they all worked extraordinarily hard for what they've got. It's why they DESERVE their wealth. They are simply better, more important people. Please don't bring up their parents' money or influence, the right schools, some early breaks or opportunities; these are not germane.

Because otherwise, if they're not obviously superior, harder-working people, we can't justify the plutocracies we currently live under, or why the average employee is losing ground.

The definition of well-off is quite hazy to me, but I am guessing some folks writing into this thread would define me that way. The following comment is absolutely sincere and well intentioned though I am certain some will see it as cloaking luck, breeding, social status or family wealth.

The success I have had is due to hard work and diligence with a sprinkling of luck and brains. I wasn't wealthy when I started nor did I have any money to start my business. Do things you don't feel you need to do every day and invest in finding ways to add value for your customers and I believe you will succeed. Follow the advice of business school professors, consultants, and the woke world and you will continue to be lamenting the injustice of it all and wondering why you aren't doing better.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by David Ess

You dont show HOW rich people are depriving others. Be specific.

Of Course they can't....
Because the Rich being Rich doesn't make the Poor Poor.
That is the Biggest Lie of the Class Envy Marxists.
They use Envy to turn people into Classes and against themselves.
Take all the money from the Rich and it won't make the Poor Middle Class.
It Never does...but it sells...like hate and rage...Class Envy and being able to blame someone else SELLS.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

You just gave an example of a VIOLATION of capitalism. It was a gov decision, policy, to print lots of extra fiat currency for banks to dole out to unqualified people. It was a big-gov problem, not capitalism at all. That guy and others just gamed the system, a system that distorted the economy.

"It was a gov decision, policy, to print lots of extra fiat currency for banks to dole out to unqualified people."

That's a complete distortion. Yes there was a government push to help more buyers get into their own homes, but the government didn't tell business to:

• approve unqualified buyers, or help buyers fudge their applications
• create balloon clauses that later blew up on the new owners
• shuffle off the subprime debt into CDOs that were fraudulently rated AAA, and then push them onto institutional buyers

And of course we know who got bailed out when this all blew up. And not one criminal charge. Hands-off! on the way up, Hands-out (socialism) when it blows up. That's US big business's take on "capitalism". "Too big to fail" is too big, period.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by danstanford

The success I have had is due to hard work and diligence with a sprinkling of luck and brains. I wasn't wealthy when I started nor did I have any money to start my business. Do things you don't feel you need to do every day and invest in finding ways to add value for your customers and I believe you will succeed.

I have no reason to doubt your story. It's undeniable that the vast majority of well-off people have put more in than some guy just sitting on his couch, or barely doing a minimum wage gig.

But the main question is: does your wealth, by itself, give you the right to rule over everyone else, and demand taxation reductions that enrich yourself and impoverish others? Is it ok to gut the middle class in order to allow the wealthiest to accumulate more? Cos that's what's going on currently, though not near as much in Canada.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

You just gave an example of a VIOLATION of capitalism. It was a gov decision, policy, to print lots of extra fiat currency for banks to dole out to unqualified people. It was a big-gov problem, not capitalism at all. That guy and others just gamed the system, a system that distorted the economy.

Utterly hilarious. A private corporation practices usury and and it is the government's fault.
Be serious.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

I have no reason to doubt your story. It's undeniable that the vast majority of well-off people have put more in than some guy just sitting on his couch, or barely doing a minimum wage gig.

But the main question is: does your wealth, by itself, give you the right to rule over everyone else, and demand taxation reductions that enrich yourself and impoverish others? Is it ok to gut the middle class in order to allow the wealthiest to accumulate more? Cos that's what's going on currently.

The problem is identifying an alternative process that can equally remain altruistic and not descend into a mess.

If most countries we have “ socialised “ via tax’s , schooling , healthcare , housing ( to a lesser or greater extent ) and other aspects of life , subsidised transport , elderly care etc the list is quite extensive . We have supports for the poor , unwaged , single mothers at al.

I’m not sure there much public support for extending that to marinas

Wealth should definitely buy you “ stuff “ the question is should it buy you privilege

[Larry Florida]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Of Course they can't....
Because the Rich being Rich doesn't make the Poor Poor.
That is the Biggest Lie of the Class Envy Marxists.
They use Envy to turn people into Classes and against themselves.
Take all the money from the Rich and it won't make the Poor Middle Class.
It Never does...but it sells...like hate and rage...Class Envy and being able to blame someone else SELLS.

I agree.

In the USA poor people are poor primarily by an accumulation of poor decisions and priorities. Luck is a factor but a minor one. In the Philippines for example this is much less true.

I worked for 10 years before I got the so called lucky break. It can be done but rarely overnight as many hope. Similar to the dream of sailing around the world, few put in the effort required.to meet the challenge.

[David Ess]

Wingsail, your "should be required to" ....do what YOU want , instead of what the marina owner wants, just means you're a 'command economy ' guy, not a free market one. They are providing a service , and you want to dictate how much they can offer it for, even though you didnt have to invest or work for that business. Nice guy.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Utterly hilarious. A private corporation practices usury and and it is the government's fault.
Be serious.

Usury, that old biblical term for 'interest'? I see you either didnt know, or ignore the point that no bank would do subprime mortages, if the gov didnt have that policy of printing and doling out the money. It WAS 100% a failed gov scheme. No private person will lend money for sub pars(execpt loan sharks, and they harm you if you dont pay back, unlike the gov that just writes it off, accumulates the debt for your kids).