"Evicted": Marina Won't Renew Contract for Next Year to maximize Profit

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by David Ess

For sure, some people decry the fact of private roads, bridges etc. In my are the best roads are the private ones. Even the private roa ds and parking lots, their lighting, maintenance etc, around our malls, and walmart, cosco, are WAAAY better than the government pot holed ones.

Since they don't serve the same purpose, it isn't a meaningful comparison. Take a look at all the Texas roads all across the state built with public taxpayer money. They are named FM nnn where FM stands for Farm to Market. Would you prefer each farmer and each market to build their own private roads? There just some things that are better handled by government for the good of the people. Not everything, not all things, not your pet peeve, just some things.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by ixnax

Even if I bought into the notions, and while I don't I'm not sure we otherwise have a huge gap in agreement, it still doesn't answer the question. Really, I'm probably more interested in a number from wingsails or lestersails. That said, I'd be interested to get a number from anyone here.

You know there's no such number, or a reason for there to be one. This is just a trolling question.

It's all balancing. If you have concentration of wealth, but the country's infrastructure is a shambles and there's a great deal of suffering, then you can say taxation has been insufficient. (and vice versa - if the country is an economic slug and there's very few wealthy, but the roads are paved with gold, then you can claim that too much has been taxed for infrastructure. Balance)

Another number that would be very illuminating would be what level of personal wealth, in today economy and with todays currencies, should be sufficient to own a boat and pay for a slip.

We were discussing this at the club yesterday. One guy mentioned that his costs for owning, maintaining and using a 26ft sailboat - all in; insurance and membership and slip included - were under CDN$4000 a year. Ours is even lower, but we have a smaller boat.

So I'd venture to say that if a person has US$5k to $10k of disposable and uncommitted income a year, they can afford a boat, depending where they live and how big/fancy a boat.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Paul L

Since they don't serve the same purpose, it isn't a meaningful comparison. Take a look at all the Texas roads all across the state built with public taxpayer money. They are named FM nnn where FM stands for Farm to Market. Would you prefer each farmer and each market to build their own private roads? There just some things that are better handled by government for the good of the people. Not everything, not all things, not your pet peeve, just some things.

Its the same purpose, surfaces for cars to drive on, and private ones are always better. But my real...pet peeve ..is that marinas be private instead of run like the post office, the DMV, and all the other dysfunctional gov organs.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

You know there's no such number, or a reason for there to be one. This is just a trolling question.

It's all balancing. If you have concentration of wealth, but the country's infrastructure is a shambles and there's a great deal of suffering, then you can say taxation has been insufficient. (and vice versa - if the country is an economic slug and there's very few wealthy, but the roads are paved with gold, then you can claim that too much has been taxed for infrastructure. Balance)


We were discussing this at the club yesterday. One guy mentioned that his costs for owning, maintaining and using a 26ft sailboat - all in; insurance and membership and slip included - were under CDN$4000 a year. Ours is even lower, but we have a smaller boat.

So I'd venture to say that if a person has US$5k to $10k of disposable and uncommitted income a year, they can afford a boat, depending where they live and how big/fancy a boat.

For me, the $3 million boat Id like, and at least $10k month income for it. But I never complain that I cant afford that right now.

[David Ess]

The other year we wanted to stay in the St Tropez marina in France, but it was about $1200day. At first i was going to complain that other boaters are richer than me. But instead I just tried to find a place I could afford. I think it was a mooring ball somewhere out of town.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

For me, the $3 million boat Id like, and at least $10k month income for it. But I never complain that I cant afford that right now.

Originally Posted by David Ess

The other year we wanted to stay in the St Tropez marina in France, but it was about $1200day. At first i was going to complain that other boaters are richer than me. But instead I just tried to find a place I could afford. I think it was a mooring ball somewhere out of town.

... wow. the hardships you've had to endure.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

... wow. the hardships you've had to endure.

Yes, the exact same one the guy in the OP has. But unlike him, I dont complain about not being as rich as I think I deserve to be.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by David Ess

The other year we wanted to stay in the St Tropez marina in France, but it was about $1200day. At first i was going to complain that other boaters are richer than me. But instead I just tried to find a place I could afford. I think it was a mooring ball somewhere out of town.

The key is, you had other options. The problem starts when you worked yourself up to the point where some of the options are affordable (but not necessarily all). And then prices balloon rapidly, pricing you out of all of the options. A small handful of people benefit from that, but society as a whole does not.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

The key is, you had other options. The problem starts when you worked yourself up to the point where some of the options are affordable (but not necessarily all). And then prices balloon rapidly, pricing you out of all of the options. A small handful of people benefit from that, but society as a whole does not.

No, ALL places on the Cote Azure are too expense, so i can never go there again. But im not complaining about not being as rich as i surely deserve to be. And if they raise prices too high for me everywhere, then ill admit i cant afford to go boating anymore.

[Bycrick]

Arguing by analogy is always questionable. In most states, the roads are owned by the government. Anybody can use them. Except when the government decides to make it a toll road (Kansas, Penn Turnpike) or a toll bridge. Go tell them that you’re entitled to drive on those for free. And even when you can drive on the roads without a toll, there’s no guarantee that there will be a free, or acceptable, parking place when you arrive.

If you’ve been priced out of a marina, it’s not because of the nasty, evil greedy rich. I don’t need to be Warren Buffett to have an extra couple of thousand a year when the marina raises their prices. I don’t need to be the richest guy, just not as poor as the poorest guy.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Yes, the exact same one the guy in the OP has. But unlike him, I dont complain about not being as rich as I think I deserve to be.

Well, not exactly. The OP is being denied the renewal of a longer-term relationship because they're apparently not consuming more of the marina's offering, not because they couldn't afford the slip. It's an annual lease, so of course the marina has no obligation to renew. I don't know any more about that market, but on face value, the OPs anecdote might suggest that the average boat-owner might be under-served, or being squeezed out. Sucks to be them, I guess.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Well, not exactly. The OP is being denied the renewal of a longer-term relationship because they're apparently not consuming more of the marina's offering, not because they couldn't afford the slip. It's an annual lease, so of course the marina has no obligation to renew. I don't know any more about that market, but on face value, the OPs anecdote might suggest that the average boat-owner might be under-served, or being squeezed out. Sucks to be them, I guess.

Sucks when anybody raises prices on anything.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by ixnax

In your view at what level of accumulated wealth would an individuals lifestyle and behaviors become a detriment to the rest of society?

Well that's the simplest question in the world.

When it can start buying governments.

In the US, whose economy is about as far from 'capitalistic' as is possible, the most visible miscreants are Lonely Mark, Egomaniac Musk, Bozo Bezos and Goofy Gates, but there are several others working 'under the counter' to manipulate the lives of the unsuspecting, powerless (read 80% of the global North's population, as a world total, read >95%) and gullible.

In case no one who's promoting the 'virtues' of what they mistake for 'capitalism' has noticed, it's unregulated pursuit, especially over the last 40 years, has resulted in not only the destruction or dimunition of almost every facet of life in human society, but exponentially greater ones in virtually every corner of the 'natural world' --- meaning that part of the Earth which is not 'human centric'...

As y'all watch your world deteriorate over the next 10 years, think about the 'benefits' just those 4 pariahs have introduced, even only since the turn of the century, and ask yourselves, 'what should have been done differently?"

Here's a hint; it can be answered in one word.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Global warming/Global Cooling or Climate Change will solve the problem...all these marina's will be underwater soon. Just give it time....buy a gas guzzling car and get even with them.....

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Global warming/Global Cooling or Climate Change will solve the problem...all these marina's will be underwater soon. Just give it time....buy a gas guzzling car and get even with them.....

Always look for marinas with floating docks.