"Evicted": Marina Won't Renew Contract for Next Year to maximize Profit

[ixnax]

Originally Posted by David Ess

I know some guys who advocate another alternative, that marinas be nationalized, and subsidized, sort of like the USPS, etc. In this manner they would have their boating lifestyle supported by all taxpayers. But hey, socialists are like that.

But don't call a socialist a socialist or you'll get pooh-poohed. This thread has caused me to marvel at how some cruisers/boat campers can feel so entitled. And here I thought it was a millennial thing.

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by David Ess

I know some guys who advocate another alternative, that marinas be nationalized, and subsidized, sort of like the USPS, etc. In this manner they would have their boating lifestyle supported by all taxpayers. But hey, socialists are like that.

Next thing you know after that they'll nationalize the roads. In this manner businesses and farmers will get their lifestyle subsidized by all taxpayers.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by David Ess

I know some guys who advocate another alternative, that marinas be nationalized, and subsidized, sort of like the USPS, etc. In this manner they would have their boating lifestyle supported by all taxpayers. But hey, socialists are like that.

"I know some guys who..."
I know some guys who just make stuff up in posts about imagined ultra-liberal boogey men upon whom they can vent their RIGHTeousness.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by ixnax

But don't call a socialist a socialist or you'll get pooh-poohed. This thread has caused me to marvel at how some cruisers/boat campers can feel so entitled. And here I thought it was a millennial thing.

The words "socialism" and "socialist" have been almost completely devalued in the US. Anyone breathes a word about "we", working together, the public good... then a right-winger yells "socialist!" and they all high-five each other like someone just sank a 3-pointer.

Roads are socialist, public education is socialist, fire, police, parks...waterways... and what about that "one person, one vote" thing? How dare they insist that their vote is worth as much as mine? (though there's some progress in fixing that little nuisance)

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by markpierce

Government owns, in the final analysis. all the land. If you pay property taxes, you are effectively paying rent. I even pay property taxes (directly to the government) on the berth I rent!

I’m assuming the hyperbole is an intended exaggeration. Government doesn’t own the land about which we are debating and neither can the government take an ‘in rem’ action to procure it.

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by lestersails

"I know some guys who..."
I know some guys who just make stuff up in posts about imagined ultra-liberal boogey men upon whom they can vent their RIGHTeousness.

Good demo. Unfortunately, he is correct and you seem intent on proving it.

[wingssail]

AIN'T CAPITALISM GREAT

A "what-aboutism" was mentioned here that if we feel this way about marina berths maybe we should have the same concern about land and houses.

Well, many people do. A Tik Tok video about how corporations with deep pockets are pricing out normal home buyers has gone viral on social media.

"This isn’t the first time social media has inflamed angst over the role that big companies are playing in a housing market that’s increasingly difficult for regular people to navigate. In June, “Hillbilly Elegy” author J.D. Vance complained on Twitter that the investing titan BlackRock (Blackstone) Inc. was buying up single-family homes for the sake of its rental business, pricing young people of the market.

Private equity landlords, tech unicorns and others are getting involved in the housing market at the same time as a severe inventory shortage is driving up prices and making it harder and harder for regular people to buy or even rent a home. The corporations all say they’re making things better for the consumer, and they may be.

It’s also possible that for all their sophistication, the Wall Street and Silicon Valley players are getting swept up in a speculative craze and could wind up losing money. But that doesn’t really matter to the family who keeps getting outbid for homes".

(https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...for-price-jump)

Of course this is exactly how capitalism works and is supposed to work. For the fat cats it is a wonderful opportunity to enrich themselves. For many it is simply more inequality which is built into the system

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

That's probably taking it too far in the other direction. The problem I see is when, say, the upper 50 percent of society can afford to have at least a small boat if they want. And then costs start to rise dramatically and things quickly start heading to where only the top 10 percent can afford a boat of any kind. A change like that happening, especially rapidly, is an indication that something might not be working and it should be assessed for whether something to control the situation would benefit society overall or not.

Socialists always take things too far. But then again, they also like white elephants like the USPS.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

The words "socialism" and "socialist" have been almost completely devalued in the US. Anyone breathes a word about "we", working together, the public good... then a right-winger yells "socialist!" and they all high-five each other like someone just sank a 3-pointer.

Roads are socialist, public education is socialist, fire, police, parks...waterways... and what about that "one person, one vote" thing? How dare they insist that their vote is worth as much as mine? (though there's some progress in fixing that little nuisance)

An important tool in the propaganda arsenal of the über wealthy to hoover up what little they don't already own. You really have to give them credit though - it is very impressive how they have duped so many middle and upper middle class people into doing their bidding. Amazon and Walmart now account for nearly 20% of ALL retail sales in the US* - a stunning number. And has anyone heard them say that they think they should have a smaller market share or even stay the same? They are out to destroy every small business in the country. And the guys at the local bar high-fiving each other are narcotized by right wing propaganda - in effect egging on the billionaires to further reduce their job opportunities, pay, benefits, education, and democratic voice.

Once the economic aristocracy owns everything - does anyone think they will welcome us plebes and serfs into their private domains? You won't have a chance in hades to be able to afford a slip in a marina.

*https://www.pymnts.com/news/retail/2...-retail-sales/

[Mike OReilly]

What's clear is that a lot of people here don't understand what capitalism is, nor socialism.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by lestersails

An important tool in the propaganda arsenal of the über wealthy to hoover up what little they don't already own. You really have to give them credit though - it is very impressive how they have duped so many middle and upper middle class people into doing their bidding. Amazon and Walmart now account for nearly 20% of ALL retail sales in the US* - a stunning number. And has anyone heard them say that they think they should have a smaller market share or even stay the same? They are out to destroy every small business in the country. And the guys at the local bar high-fiving each other are narcotized by right wing propaganda - in effect egging on the billionaires to further reduce their job opportunities, pay, benefits, education, and democratic voice.

Once the economic aristocracy owns everything - does anyone think they will welcome us plebes and serfs into their private domains? You won't have a chance in hades to be able to afford a slip in a marina.

*https://www.pymnts.com/news/retail/2...-retail-sales/

Certainly many people have varying definitions of words. The type of socialists I mentioned though are those that like nationalizing things. Its great if youre not one of those. And Ibteject the notion that any 'economic aristocracy' will, or even wants to own everything. I cant see why they would want my house or boat or car.

[David Ess]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

What's clear is that a lot of people here don't understand what capitalism is, nor socialism.

Yes, we saw that here. Thats why I defined capitalism for
those that showed they didnt know what it is....respect for property and free trade. And the socialists often try to hide that they are marxists, so use euphemisms like...liberals, progressives, woke, etc.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Of course this is exactly how capitalism works and is supposed to work.

For all the talk of "level playing field" and how competition and the free market lead to efficiencies, and all the "wealth creation" and rising tide stuff... there's very few businesspeople who wouldn't welcome having a monopoly and a captive market that must pay whatever the owners care to charge. (exhibit A) And rather than competition, they would happily collude with other owners to keep it so. Unchecked capitalism often leads to concentration of ownership, an unproductive rentier economy and ever greater wealth disparities. The fanbois seldom mention this, though.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by David Ess

Yes, we saw that here. Thats why I defined capitalism for
those that showed they didnt know what it is....respect for property and free trade.

Respect for property comes from LAW, not capitalism. And it predates modern capitalism. Capitalism simply takes this legal foundation as a given.

[ixnax]

Originally Posted by lestersails

An important tool in the propaganda arsenal of the über wealthy to hoover up what little they don't already own. You really have to give them credit though - it is very impressive how they have duped so many middle and upper middle class people into doing their bidding. Amazon and Walmart now account for nearly 20% of ALL retail sales in the US* - a stunning number. And has anyone heard them say that they think they should have a smaller market share or even stay the same? They are out to destroy every small business in the country. And the guys at the local bar high-fiving each other are narcotized by right wing propaganda - in effect egging on the billionaires to further reduce their job opportunities, pay, benefits, education, and democratic voice.

Once the economic aristocracy owns everything - does anyone think they will welcome us plebes and serfs into their private domains? You won't have a chance in hades to be able to afford a slip in a marina.

*https://www.pymnts.com/news/retail/2...-retail-sales/

In your view at what level of accumulated wealth would an individuals lifestyle and behaviors become a detriment to the rest of society?