"Evicted": Marina Won't Renew Contract for Next Year to maximize Profit

[foggysail]

Originally Posted by wingssail

You are victim of a trend: Wealthy will take what they want and the rest of us get what we are given.


Consider who you vote for.

RIGHT ON!!! We are given equal opportunity, not equal equity

[Tbreptiles]

Ours raised the moorage 6% last year and have approved a 7-12% increase depending on slip size each year for the next 3 years. They cite "marina improvements". So far we have new crap WIFI and some great new commercial docks. I guess we get to pay for things that will never benefit us.

[foggysail]

Originally Posted by wingssail

No Macrophylla, My post was not sarcasm.

I am a citizen of the US and we, as citizens, all share, and are entitled to, that part of the country, and its natural resources, which are deemed public and which have been held in reserve for us all.
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Oh, you think so???? Massachusetts beach front property owners own to the water's edge ...not sure if its the high or low tide mark. AND THEY CAN CALL THE COPS TO FORCE YOU TO MOVE OFF THEIR LAND!!!

[Alawaiorion]

Originally Posted by Calif.Ted

Mine just raised slip rate from $675/month to $910 and with a 6-10 year waitlist they ain't shy about saying "Don't let the door hit you on the way out if you don't like it."

And ours just raised our moorage/live aboard fees from $985 to $1440 a month…and they have many empty slips. The stated purpose is to get rid of all liveaboards by making it far too costly and then to turn the harbor into a public-private partnership and price all average residents out of the market. Yes we are working with our legislators but I see the writing on the wall. In the same way there are many many empty luxury condos here that sit for years and a housing shortage for middle income residents. And I don’t see it getting better.

[scareygary]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Sounds like capitalism operating as designed.

And exactly what makes Marx's "Das Kapital" so prophetic.....

[g0nz0]

Don't want to get into a big discussion about how capitalism does/should operate, just want to say that Pharma bro Martin Shkreli raised the price of an AIDs drug from $13.50 to $750.00 overnight. Without an alternative available.

Yes, according to the book definition, this is capitalism. But man, is this how we want to live?

Good luck with your marina search.

[MicHughV]

Rich people have their own way of thinking about things.

Some time ago, down in South Florida, I was witness to one mega-millionaire trying to sue his neighboring mega-millionaire, because the neighbor was "blocking his view" with his mega-yacht tied up on his front lawn.

Both sides had armies of lawyers, charts, graph's, etc.

Turns out the view in question was from a bathroom window located on the side of the house, an opaque window to boot, but that didn't matter, as they went at it.

[ArmyDaveNY]

Originally Posted by Alawaiorion

And ours just raised our moorage/live aboard fees from $985 to $1440 a month…and they have many empty slips. The stated purpose is to get rid of all liveaboards by making it far too costly and then to turn the harbor into a public-private partnership and price all average residents out of the market. Yes we are working with our legislators but I see the writing on the wall. In the same way there are many many empty luxury condos here that sit for years and a housing shortage for middle income residents. And I don’t see it getting better.

Tarrytown, NY is experience something similar, albeit with a difference. There is a boat club that is private, but on government land. Actually, it is more of a co-op club, but the effect is similar. Recently, the municipality is looking to "improve" the waterfront and seeking proposals. They talk a good game, but in reality the developers have been contributing heavily to the discussion and plan, and I suspect to the campaign funds of many.

There is a petition if anyone is interested. https://www.change.org/p/village-of-...is?signed=true

[MicHughV]

Rich people have their own way of thinking about things.

Some time ago, down in South Florida, I was witness to one mega-millionaire trying to sue his neighboring mega-millionaire, because the neighbor was "blocking his view" with his mega-yacht tied up on his front lawn.

Both sides had armies of lawyers, charts, graph's, etc.

Turns out the view in question was from a bathroom window located on the side of the house, an opaque window to boot, but that didn't matter, as they went at it.

[AJA]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

And now we see some of the base capitalist mythology.

There is a mindset that there is a limited supply of wealth. This is untrue. You can have as much wealth as you determine you must have.
I’m not a CEO, or a trust fund kid. I’m a public school teacher, who long ago determined that I wanted my summers off to go sailing. My wife and I live in an inexpensive condo ( tho it does have a lake front view), we drive used cars ( I’d love to live without one). But we do have our sailboat and a slip at a prestigious yacht club.
We live there on our boat 3 months of the year.
I determined that that was what I wanted in life and so I have it. I’ve worked side jobs and sacrificed other things, but we gave what we want. Capitalism gives the most opportunity to the most people.
In a socialist system, there would be no chance I’d enjoy such a life as this.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Alawaiorion

... turn the harbor into a public-private partnership and price all average residents out of the market.

Up here (Canada) a public-private partnership usually results in greater access for more people. But I can imagine that fulltime liveaboards might be considered less desirable in that sort of arrangement.

Originally Posted by AJA

...Capitalism gives the most opportunity to the most people.
In a socialist system, there would be no chance I’d enjoy such a life as this.

... happy for you, but most societies go for a blend of approaches. Neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism are ideal. btw, free public education is socialist

[ArmyDaveNY]

Originally Posted by scareygary

And exactly what makes Marx's "Das Kapital" so prophetic.....

These types of comments about capitalism, whether for or against, or neutral, are rather over-simplistic. N.B. I am not commenting on the validity of the total argument, but rather against the simplicity.

In most cases, what we are talking about is not black or white, but rather many shades of grey. Yes, there is capitalism. Yes there is socialism. At the same time, we often completely ignore cronyism, which is sometimes mislabeled as crony capitalism. We also ignore the effect of ego.

MicHughV said it best; the political class, the rich, the new landed gentry think differently than we do. They "know" what is best for us while benefiting themselves in the process.

[sailorladd]

I live in Hawaii on an outer island and have been paying $213 a month at a small state owned public harbor for several years, with the very basics of facilities and a year ago, without much notice they suddenly raised our rent to over $520 a month, and to date there have been NO improvements to facilities which was the excuse they gave us....unchecked greed...

[merrydolphin]

Originally Posted by foggysail

Oh, you think so???? Massachusetts beach front property owners own to the water's edge ...not sure if its the high or low tide mark. AND THEY CAN CALL THE COPS TO FORCE YOU TO MOVE OFF THEIR LAND!!!

To take that even a step further. I was anchored (while actively cruising) in Waquoit Bay Cape Cod. They slapped a huge, hard to remove one square foot bright orange sticker on my boat “ you can’t anchor in a mooing field, your boat will be impounded”. OK, despite the fact that the mooring field was huge and half empty and that I anchored way away from any moorings, oh well.
A nice couple came along in their dingy and after some conversation and cruisers tales, they said oh, we have a mooring right in front of our house, (they had a nice beach front home) our boat is in the yard, go ahead and use it a few days…….Wow, thanks! (All wealthy are not snobs)
The next day an even bigger sticker. “ this mooring doesn’t belong to you, if you don’t leave immediately you boat will be impounded and the owner of the mooring will loose there permit for the mooring!” I went to the dock masters office and after arguing with the desk attendant that I wanted to talk to the dock master, not him. (You would think that I was making an appointment with God). I finally got to talk with Go…..er the dock master. “ if you will give me just one more day, I promise that I will leave tomorrow and you will never see me again. Reluctantly, “OK”. Believe me, after so many experience like this once north of the Chesapeake, I left and sailed open ocean back south to the Chesapeake and Carolinas. Have no intention of ever going back there in my boat despite the fact that I have family that live in Falmouth Heights.
I have sailed much of the world and have never felt less welcome than the waters north of the Chesapeake. (Yes, San Diego can be bad too, but even they have worked to be more cruiser friendly ). I never did make it to Maine but understand that they are more cruiser friendly. Same with Nova Scotia.
PS, my boat is a very nice looking vessel in excellent shape.

[ArmyDaveNY]

Originally Posted by sailorladd

I live in Hawaii on an outer island and have been paying $213 a month at a small state owned public harbor for several years, with the very basics of facilities and a year ago, without much notice they suddenly raised our rent to over $520 a month, and to date there have been NO improvements to facilities which was the excuse they gave us....unchecked greed...

Unchecked greed? Maybe. Maybe not. When was the last time they raised the fees? How much have their expenses increased? Is the increased revenue going to be used to pay for the supposed improvements? Usually, a private facility will make the improvements first.

Given that this is a government facility, you may well be correct. There is a very good chance that the state wants to increase their revenue, and cares far less about any improvements.