4 in 5 UK Boat Owners May Quit Cruising Due to Post-Brexit Schengen Rules

[Joh.Ghurt]

The best and most easy to understand reference I found is the official list from the EU:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...territories_en

It shows also, that Ceuta and Melilla are an option in the western Mediterranean. While the Canaries are ok too in the Atlantic, the Azores and Madeira aren't. In the eastern Mediterranenan, you could try to anchor in the Vatican

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Joh.Ghurt

The best and most easy to understand reference I found is the official list from the EU:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...territories_en

Couldn't you just have said.. Yes you still can play the 18mth two step or..
No, your entering a Schengen area so its no longer a refuge which is what I believe will be the case.
Further.. if a Brit boat was in the Canaries on New Years Eve and into the New Year is it now liable to both EU and UK VAT depending on its next port of call.

[Joh.Ghurt]

It's a little confusing not to mix things. Schengen-area is for people, so Gibraltar doesn't help. For boats the 18 months are based on the VAT area. The boat needs just to leave the VAT area for a day to reset the temporary importation. That's also why Monaco doesn't work, but Gibraltar is still ok.

[Joh.Ghurt]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Further.. if a Brit boat was in the Canaries on New Years Eve and into the New Year is it now liable to both EU and UK VAT depending on its next port of call.

Yes, same as with the Dutch or French Antilles. For the EU, you'd have to temporarily import it and the 18 months start.

For the UK, you'd be shafted. You should ask in the UK how a boat that has been to the UK in the past 3 years but wasn't in the EU on new-year is handled. Perhaps the UK would consider the UK-VAT paid if it was paid before. No idea.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by cooper1991

Yes, it's the people not the boat that's the issue as EU allows 18 months before you need to move your boat (for a day).

For liveaboards, it's just a case of planning routes and stays that include Turkey, Morocco, Gibraltar, Tunisia and maybe Northern Cyprus & San Marino (non-EU).

Cross Atlantic journeys also an issue as Canary Islands (Spain), Azores and Madeira all sit under the EU tent, albeit Cape Verde does not.

The other issue is berthing prices and availability in the above non-EU countries as well as airports (that fly to your destination).

San Marino is landlocked! I would not expect to meet a liveaboard there.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I thought Gibraltar was now in the EU..

On 31 December 2020, Spain and the United Kingdom reached an agreement in principle under which Gibraltar would join the European Union's Schengen Area.[37] This clears the way for the European Union and the UK to start formal negotiations on the matter.[38] Elements of the proposed agreement are:[38][39]

Gibraltar (air)ports become entry points of the Schengen area, under responsibility of Spain [40]
The border controls will be performed by Frontex-personnel [40]
unrestricted movement of goods
arrangements in the field of "environment, the level playing field, social security coordination, citizens’ rights, data and matters related to continued document recognition" [40]
the relationship between Gibraltar and the European Union in areas of EU competence
Gibraltar can offer residence permit on its own decision
Visa for visiting Gibraltar will be Schengen visas, mainly issued by Spain
The arrangements are implemented for "an initial period of four years"[40]

Boatman:

I believe Gibraltar remains outside of the EU for customs, VAT and excise taxation purposes, but the territory does have the cooperation agreement with Spain as to Schengen visa travel. Now crossing the Gibraltar border to Spain well that is definitely EU territorial entrance.

Reference link as to countries and territories with EU treaties, EU Customs Rules, EU VAT rules, and EU Excise Tax rules:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...territories_en

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Anders

San Marino is landlocked! I would not expect to meet a liveaboard there.

Yachting Club San Marino

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[Clivevon]

5 miles from Rimini?