The hurricane prediction is for the strongest in 70 years

[DotDun]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Had he not developed HTML we would still burying down the Internet using gopher. https://www.minnpost.com/business/20...opher-protocol

When I started using the Internet with archie and ftp, I thought gopher was fabulous.

I could ask the same question again.....but I won't.....

[Scotty Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Olddan1943

Calif wants to tax cow farts. Next, they will want the dairy farms to capture the farts for recycling.

One calif. city, the name has cycled out of my brain, taxed CO2 production so high, the local bread companies relocated. Think about that, loss taxes, loss of jobs.

I recall driving past a local bakery and smelling the very fresh bread. Mmmmmm

(Cow) "Fart Tax" was proposed in NZ. Seriously. But farmers not laughing, near shat themselves. Drove tractors up the steps of Parliament. @ 1998 Maybe.

[Scotty Kiwi]

A business coaching book, title and author long forgotten, advised along the lines of ... If you want to impress the people around you, make as many long term predictions as you can. Publish them on the web, but don't discuss them too much. No one will remember the failed ones. But when the time comes, discard the failures, and heavily promote those that are true.

Is that happening here, I wonder ....

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Scotty Kiwi

A business coaching book, title and author long forgotten, advised along the lines of ... If you want to impress the people around you, make as many long term predictions as you can. Publish them on the web, but don't discuss them too much. No one will remember the failed ones. But when the time comes, discard the failures, and heavily promote those that are true.

Is that happening here, I wonder ....

if science worked like that..... it wouldn't work, nothing you see around you right now would exist.

[Olddan1943]

Originally Posted by conachair

if science worked like that..... it wouldn't work, nothing you see around you right now would exist.

Scientists' are worried about losing their Federal grants soooooo, they have a tendency to "get in line".

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Olddan1943

Scientists' are worried about losing their Federal grants soooooo, they have a tendency to "get in line".

bingo
The good ones are mostly retired so they don't care about funding anymore are telling things much closer to the real world.
Dr Spencer and Dr currey for instance.
Then there are the ones outside of the American and brit. mainstream. They do usually tell it like it is

[Boatguy30]

Originally Posted by J Clark H356

Yeah and by now where I used to vacation in Florida was supposed to be under water, the Arctic Ocean ice melted and I just heard this morning an Asteroid is heading straight for us and will get her in 2035! With all these expert forecasts, I think I’m going to go put my boat on the market.

Now till 2035 is the time to be cruising.

[Olddan1943]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

Now till 2035 is the time to be cruising.

After 2035 there will be fewer shallow spots to worry you folks.
Me? I shall be worry about passing THE final exam. SMIRK

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Olddan1943

After 2035 there will be fewer shallow spots to worry you folks.
Me? I shall be worry about passing THE final exam. SMIRK

actually its a hundred years off the expected rendezvous is in 2135
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/22/o...oln/index.html
I will have long since been crab food.

[peter57]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

This years cyclone (hurricane) season in Australia has bought about four during the last month or so, all of them along the northern coast, but none earlier in the season.

Northern and west coast have had them as well.

[Island Time O25]

I don't even know where to begin.

This thread shows clearly the damage done by the 50+ years of leftist controlled education in the West. Even apparently so called educated people are very myopic and susceptible to propaganda trends.

First of all to talk about "climate change" using 10-20-50, even 100 year spans is just plain stupid. Not to say very unscientific. There is no such thing as a decades trend. Most climate changes occur in at least centuries spans and most of those are in thousands of years spans. The short term hickups are just that - hickups. Or hickdowns if you will.

The so called Dark Ages 5C-9C CE have corresponded to such cooling period. And 10-14cc had the warming period which corresponded with the rise of living standards in Europe, which peaked about mid-14th C and had the plague as a result of the warmer climate which allowed for proliferation of rats and other vermin. Also this warming period allowed the Vikings to colonize Greenland which was actually green and had decent pastures, at least its coastal areas, up to the 14th C.

From 14-15th C to about now we are in the cooling trend so that the reversal to the next warming cycle is pretty much should be within the normal historical climate oscillation periods. To fight this trend by human induced means is about as smart as to try to prevent Sun spots, lightening, or some such. We just need to adjust our activities and living patterns, etc. i.e. not to build too close to the rising oceans, not to build shacks in hurricane prone areas, not keep rebuilding in flood zones, etc.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

I don't even know where to begin.

This thread shows clearly the damage done by the 50+ years of leftist controlled education in the West. Even apparently so called educated people are very myopic and susceptible to propaganda trends.

First of all to talk about "climate change" using 10-20-50, even 100 year spans is just plain stupid. Not to say very unscientific. There is no such thing as a decades trend. Most climate changes occur in at least centuries spans and most of those are in thousands of years spans. The short term hickups are just that - hickups. Or hickdowns if you will.

The so called Dark Ages 5C-9C CE have corresponded to such cooling period. And 10-14cc had the warming period which corresponded with the rise of living standards in Europe, which peaked about mid-14th C and had the plague as a result of the warmer climate which allowed for proliferation of rats and other vermin. Also this warming period allowed the Vikings to colonize Greenland which was actually green and had decent pastures, at least its coastal areas, up to the 14th C.

From 14-15th C to about now we are in the cooling trend so that the reversal to the next warming cycle is pretty much should be within the normal historical climate oscillation periods. To fight this trend by human induced means is about as smart as to try to prevent Sun spots, lightening, or some such. We just need to adjust our activities and living patterns, etc. i.e. not to build too close to the rising oceans, not to build shacks in hurricane prone areas, not keep rebuilding in flood zones, etc.

Come on... This is CF... You cant get away with reason and common sense..

[peter57]

Originally Posted by roland stockham

I recently saw one of the Florida mayors explaining the multi-million dollar project they have had to start in order to raise sea defenses and the massive pumps installed because the city now floods ever month with the spring tide. Yachts have now sailed the NW passage that used to be solid ice - just as predicted...
You don't need a lab to measure sea level rise, just a stick and a beach. Explaining it is more difficult. It could be the will of Allah, little green men or 98% of climate scientist could be right. Take your head out of the sand before rising sea levels come in and drown you!

Roald Amundsen sailed across the North west passage 1903- 1906
and just a guess he was not the first and the Oceans are going to rise slowly even if there was not one human on the planet.

The planet warmed from 700 AD for over 100 years at a similar rate as it is now.

You are choking on the sand that you have expensively been sold!

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

I don't even know where to begin.

This thread shows clearly the damage done by the 50+ years of leftist controlled education in the West. Even apparently so called educated people are very myopic and susceptible to propaganda trends.

First of all to talk about "climate change" using 10-20-50, even 100 year spans is just plain stupid. Not to say very unscientific. There is no such thing as a decades trend. Most climate changes occur in at least centuries spans and most of those are in thousands of years spans. The short term hickups are just that - hickups. Or hickdowns if you will.

The so called Dark Ages 5C-9C CE have corresponded to such cooling period. And 10-14cc had the warming period which corresponded with the rise of living standards in Europe, which peaked about mid-14th C and had the plague as a result of the warmer climate which allowed for proliferation of rats and other vermin. Also this warming period allowed the Vikings to colonize Greenland which was actually green and had decent pastures, at least its coastal areas, up to the 14th C.

From 14-15th C to about now we are in the cooling trend so that the reversal to the next warming cycle is pretty much should be within the normal historical climate oscillation periods. To fight this trend by human induced means is about as smart as to try to prevent Sun spots, lightening, or some such. We just need to adjust our activities and living patterns, etc. i.e. not to build too close to the rising oceans, not to build shacks in hurricane prone areas, not keep rebuilding in flood zones, etc.

Here are some long time spans for you.

For 800,000 years. at least, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm. In that "Goldilocks" world human evolved and their food crops were domesticated.



Before the Industrial Revolution we were in a 6,000 year cooling period. Then we dumped 1.5 trillion tonnes of CO2, a known greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere raising levels to those not observed in 3-5 million years. Using carbon isotope analysis, the 40% increase in atmosphere CO2 can be directly attributed to the burning of fossil fuels. This is what happened.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by peter57

Roald Amundsen sailed across the North west passage 1903- 1906
and just a guess he was not the first and the Oceans are going to rise slowly even if there was not one human on the planet.

The planet warmed from 700 AD for over 100 years at a similar rate as it is now.

You are choking on the sand that you have expensively been sold!

According to natural cycles, solar cycles and Milankovitch cycles, we should be cooling, ice sheets should be expanding and sea levels falling. We are warming and sea levels are rising.