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Old 24-07-2018, 16:09   #421
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Re: Loss of KELAERIN Rescue of Crew June 2018

You can never drive risks to zero.
The likely hood of a Lewmar hatch being torn open isn't very high.
I know they way my luck runs, I'd secure it so that it couldn't be torn open, then I'd have a fire and need it as an escape hatch.
The rivets are I know a weak link, cause I've had a couple break just dogging the hatch closed, but they're are easily replaced with screws
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And the hatch will often be stronger than what it is fastened to/with.

(Ended that sentence with 2 prepositions...my knuckles hurt already.)
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You can never drive risks to zero.
The likely hood of a Lewmar hatch being torn open isn't very high.
I know they way my luck runs, I'd secure it so that it couldn't be torn open, then I'd have a fire and need it as an escape hatch.
The rivets are I know a weak link, cause I've had a couple break just dogging the hatch closed, but they're are easily replaced with screws
Well how old are the dogs and hinges?
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Kelaerin under tow by USCG
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Re: Loss of KELAERIN Rescue of Crew June 2018

She is a great looking boat.

Seems like one of the lazy jacks let go/chafed through and the main is pretty shredded. A lot could be learnt from the damage to her.

So glad she was recovered, and I hope many of their key items can be recovered.
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She is a great looking boat.

Seems like one of the lazy jacks let go/chafed through and the main is pretty shredded. A lot could be learnt from the damage to her.

So glad she was recovered, and I hope many of their key items can be recovered.


She looks remarkably non the worse for wear. And the jacks/sail damage could well have occurred after she was abandoned.

The fact that the radar pole and both solar panels seem untouched would seem to point to a broach/knockdown but who knows. How did the dodger/enclosure get destroyed yet those survived?
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No, Im sorry it's not. I Used to have to travel to Ft Bragg to fly their simulator, Savannah didn't have one.
It's also the home of Special Ops and is by number of Soldiers the largest Military installation in the World



There are two places named Fort Bragg, one on the coast of California. Use Google Maps and see for yourself..............


There is no way the USCG could tow a yacht to Ft Bragg NC. That would make a good story though. The abandoned yacht drifts all the way from the Washington coast of the Pacific to North Carolina in a fairly short time period. Whatever worm hole it went through would be worth investigating.... Beats the heck out of the Panama Canal ;-)


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Interesting the solar panel is still there. Clean her up and set sail.
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Discussing what happened here, how and why it happened, what happened to the the hatches and companionway, the dinghy and steering pedestal, the dynamics of the wave train, the forces a breaking wave can exert etc, are all good and valuable topics of discussion that may benefit the rest of us.


I personally and very strongly feel that the skipper's decision to abandon, being a "survival decision" which resulted in survival, should not be second guessed. That he made the correct decision is borne out by the results.... they both survived none the worse for the wear in the end. The recovery of the boat could not have been anticipated.... what a lucky break!!


Many years ago I made a similar survival decision that ultimately was very costly to me personally (financially devastating to me). Two lives were in my hands, and we both lived to tell the tale, and came out in good condition. The choice was clear cut to me. Stay at the risk of lives to save property, or focus on saving lives. Hypothermia was a very clear danger, and as with these two, we were not equipped to deal with the conditions over the term that would have been required.



I endured literally years of criticism from people who were not there. People who have never faced looming hypothermia, as I have a number of times. The real deciding factor is the falling of your core temperature. As your personal core temperature falls you MUST take action, and quickly. Your ability to function and accomplish tasks, as well as make rational decisions quickly degrades with core temperature in an accelerating downward spiral. I know. I've been into the early stages of hypothermia a number of times. I have ZERO regrets over the choices I made. They were definitely the right choices under the circumstances. Good judgment may easily be set aside, knowing what you will be facing after the fact. Let's hope that some of the discussion here does NOT have that effect on one of our members at some future date, and perhaps resulting in loss of life in pursuit of saving pride.


For those not familiar with the Pacific Ocean in the area where this boat was abandoned, it is absolutely icy. It feels like it came right off a glacier. It is far different from the waters most people choose to sail in, which while they may be cold, are nothing like this. Drenched in ice water, a boat half filled with ice water sloshing around in an ungodly soup of everything imaginable, no working pumps, an injured skipper, essentially wrecked steering pedestal.... though I would hope a tiller option was available (if it could be found). Apparently no survival suits, no way to bring body temperature back up except for what food might be found floating in the cabin. Facing rapidly degrading decision making ability, and physical ability to function..... I would hope that people reading this thread would choose the same option the skipper of Kelaerin did. The wackos have a sign down the road that says "choose life". It's a good rule to live by as the skipper of a yacht....


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This is exactly the type of question that interests me, and probably other ocean crossing souls. Thanks for this, Paul.

The real answer may not come from the two people involved... or maybe it will. Those of us who trust our lives to a bit of fiberglass and hardware are curious in a very serious manner. We want to learn from this. If any statements or questions sound "unseemly", then I hope we can appreciate the higher goal here.

As far as I know, a Lewmar Series 70 Ocean Hatch is about 2 feet by 2 feet with 2 plastic latches, and 2 (or 3 if older?) hinges. I never thought about it getting "ripped open". If the plastic latch material was replaced by aluminum, would the dogs hold better? Did the material suffer degradation from years in the tropics? My experience is mostly with smaller Lewmars, so do tell. A little leaking and a crack, but no big failures...Thoughts?
Bomar (not Lewmar) hatches, at least the 36 year old ones on my boat, all have aluminum catches that are secured with SS bolts. I find it hard to believe that any hatch maker would use plastic latches on a large opening hatch rated for ocean serviced.

This is a vital question if we are interested in making our boats seaworthy. There seems to be inconsistency in what happened to the deck hatch during the incident - one statement says the hatch was ripped open, another description says the hatches were all in place, after the incident.
Maybe hatch was ripped open, but stayed on its hinges and then fell back into the closed position (minus it's latches).
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Well how old are the dogs and hinges?


Mine are now 30 yrs old, I assume. Boat is a 1987 Boat, but hatches could have sat in a warehouse for?

So far as not believing plastic on Ocean rated hatches, why not? Most probably your in a plastic boat. Many plastics are exceedingly strong, impervious to corrosion and are very elastic, meaning they give, but don’t break, often plastic is the best, strongest choice for something.
Likely the window part is plastic and not glass isn’t it?
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Re: Loss of KELAERIN Rescue of Crew June 2018

A LOT could be answered with a good look at the Boat.
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Re: Loss of KELAERIN Rescue of Crew June 2018

nice boat, give the design credit for looking after itself.

shout out to the USCG - great job recovering

Decent photo unfortunate the cockpit and stern deck obscured and fuzzy

I see two intact hatches on the front of the boat, and I believe one on the stern deck (but that area is very fuzzy in the photo). I don't see a big hole - missing hatch?

Cockpit has two companionways - one fore and other aft?

Solar panel there, as in bimini (or at least its stainless), dorade in place (in our worst two wave strikes the dorades were taken both times), stanchions not bent (at least the ones we can see), wind blades still on the generator (those are often stripped off in bad knock downs). Anchor in place. Two large outboards on the stern pulpit?

I see a wooden block in front of the hatch (just in front of the mast) - was that life raft storage, or was it stored on the stern deck.

(as I mentioned above) the interior should be a total write off, if there is/has been a ton of water in the boat. And that probably makes the whole boat a constructive total loss for insurance purposes (if there is insurance). You could potentially get a really nice deal from the insurance company if you wanted to rebuild it.
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Mine are now 30 yrs old, I assume. Boat is a 1987 Boat, but hatches could have sat in a warehouse for?

So far as not believing plastic on Ocean rated hatches, why not? Most probably your in a plastic boat. Many plastics are exceedingly strong, impervious to corrosion and are very elastic, meaning they give, but don’t break, often plastic is the best, strongest choice for something.
Likely the window part is plastic and not glass isn’t it?
It is unreasonable to expect 30 years of UV and use not to reduce the effectiveness of plastic dogs and hinges.
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WOW! Abandoned June 17, found almost 6 weeks later, about 800- 1000 miles farther south. Too bad the boat doesn't have it's own facebook page, must have been quite a trip
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