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Old 30-04-2021, 06:10   #1
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Invisible Force Sinks Sub

Indonesian officials working to determine how a military submarine with 53 crewmembers sunk earlier this month during a training exercise said the vessel may have been hit by an internal solitary wave in the treacherous waters off Bali.

Australia’s ABC.net.au reported that such waves are invisible but have the strength to drag a submarine down to dangerous depths. The report said that there have been several theories, but evidence seems to point to the wave that would not be evident on the surface of the water.

The report said Indonesian naval officials consulted satellite images from the region and determined that these massive waves were in the area at the time of the sinking.

Rear Adm. Iwan Isnurwanto, the commander of the Indonesian Navy Command and Staff School, told the station that the wave may have "moved up from the bottom to the north, and there’s a trench between two mountains."

"There was nothing that they could do, no time to do anything... if the sub was brought down by such a wave. It likely angled [downward], causing all the crew members to roll down," Isnurwanto said, according to Nikkei Asia. "We have to do further investigation, but that is most likely what happened."

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Re: Invisible Force Sinks Sub

Perhaps.

It does not change the facts that it was (1) an old boat, well past its use-by date; and (2) overloaded with personnel.

So the solitary wave story is a convenient way to shift the blame, nicht wahr?
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Old 30-04-2021, 06:17   #3
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Or maybe it was a UFO? Anything except a mistake on the part of the Indonesian navy. Sounds like CYA to me.
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Old 30-04-2021, 06:43   #4
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I wonder how long it will be before we see a B-movie on this incident on the SciFi channel
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Or a seam burst on a 40 year old submarine
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When Russian and American subs sank, it took years if not decades of investigation before they talked about what actually caused it. When planes crash, even with external radar and communications data, recovered data recorders and easy accessibility to the leftovers, it can still take a months or years long investigation. It took over a year to investigate the two collisions of US Navy surface ships with commercial ships.

So I find it less than reasonable that we should believe that after a couple of weeks of investigation and a few blurry photos, they can decide that the accident is the result of an extremely rare, essentially unprovable phenomenon that just coincidentally allows everyone in the government, the navy chain-of-command and all the suppliers and shipyards to just raise their eyes to the heavens and mumble "Inshallah."
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Having worked in Indonesia for 15 years, its a joke having a submarine, they can't maintain surface vessels, let alone a sub, anyway, they don't need submarines, such a waste of money.
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Indonesian officials working to determine how a military submarine with 53 crewmembers sunk earlier this month during a training exercise said the vessel may have been hit by an internal solitary wave in the treacherous waters off Bali.

Australia’s ABC.net.au reported that such waves are invisible but have the strength to drag a submarine down to dangerous depths. The report said that there have been several theories, but evidence seems to point to the wave that would not be evident on the surface of the water.

The report said Indonesian naval officials consulted satellite images from the region and determined that these massive waves were in the area at the time of the sinking.

Rear Adm. Iwan Isnurwanto, the commander of the Indonesian Navy Command and Staff School, told the station that the wave may have "moved up from the bottom to the north, and there’s a trench between two mountains."

"There was nothing that they could do, no time to do anything... if the sub was brought down by such a wave. It likely angled [downward], causing all the crew members to roll down," Isnurwanto said, according to Nikkei Asia. "We have to do further investigation, but that is most likely what happened."

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Old 30-04-2021, 09:41   #9
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Indonesia has been working for years to establish themselves as a credible Nation, possibly they tried too hard and overextended their ability.
Never the less, the loss of 53 Sailors is a major loss to the Navies of the World and Sea Goers everywhere.
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Having worked in Indonesia for 15 years, its a joke having a submarine, they can't maintain surface vessels, let alone a sub, anyway, they don't need submarines, such a waste of money.
Indonesia needs a navy, especially submarines, as China is on a territorial annexation spree.

He who controls the outlet of the Malacca Straits, controls China’s imports and exports.

The British didn’t build their flawed fortress/major naval base at Singapore for no reason. Same as Gibraltar - and former British control over Suez.
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Invisible underwater waves.. Hmmm. Don't think so.
Submarining is dangerous & unforgiving. Maybe the boat failed from age & lack of maintenance, or maybe someone on board just made a critical error. Hopefully lessons will be learned.
Either way, 53 sailors died, for which we offer our sympathy to their families. Looks like it was quick, at least.
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Heard that a strange water condition between Maui and Hawai’i exists. Apparently ships have bee lost there because of a vertical water swirl or something similar exists there. Why not a similar phenom in Indonesia?
Every country wants a submarine in their navy. Bragging rights. Besides that, a 40 year old boat is only a target for China.
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Indonesia has been working for years to establish themselves as a credible Nation, possibly they tried too hard and overextended their ability.
Never the less, the loss of 53 Sailors is a major loss to the Navies of the World and Sea Goers everywhere.
Credibility on the international stage comes not just from having planes and ships, but from demonstrating that you – as an organization – know what you're doing.


As Bycrick pointed out earlier, investigating an incident like this, to the point where you understand the root cause and can draw meaningful lessons from it, takes months or years. Saying "whelp, must have been an internal wave, too bad" after such a cursory examination effectively tells all the other naval forces in the area that not only do you not know what you're doing, your organization isn't even self-aware enough to realize that it doesn't know what it's doing. That is an *awful* position in which to put yourself, if you're aspiring to be a local geopolitical power.
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Credibility on the international stage comes not just from having planes and ships, but from demonstrating that you – as an organization – know what you're doing.


As Bycrick pointed out earlier, investigating an incident like this, to the point where you understand the root cause and can draw meaningful lessons from it, takes months or years. Saying "whelp, must have been an internal wave, too bad" after such a cursory examination effectively tells all the other naval forces in the area that not only do you not know what you're doing, your organization isn't even self-aware enough to realize that it doesn't know what it's doing. That is an *awful* position in which to put yourself, if you're aspiring to be a local geopolitical power.
Makes sense.
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Perhaps.

It does not change the facts that it was (1) an old boat, well past its use-by date; and (2) overloaded with personnel.

So the solitary wave story is a convenient way to shift the blame, nicht wahr?
An old diesel boat in all likely hood, it may have gone down as the result of age? I doubt a government will admit to that?
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