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Old 09-05-2021, 15:11   #91
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Re: Invisible Force Sinks Sub

I guess the world is a much more exciting place the less you know about science but for those of us who have been burdened with atomic physics, eigenvalues and the like... far less magical. I'm OK with that.
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My guess is that, just like airliner fuselages, submarine hulls have a finite number of times/cycles that they can endure and this shows what happens if you exceed them. Long haul jets can be many decades old and still have lots of life left while a 737 on the NYC/DC run is all used up after just a couple of decades.
The aircraft industry can truthfully say that they have “never left one up there”, but submarines don’t always return to sea level.
The USAF is still flying the B-52 Stratofortresses, which are sixty-plus years old. I recall, in the mid-60s, the sheet metal guys inspecting and replacing rivets around the wing root after a 24hr sortie which was a regular maintenance item. So it seems like they're still going strong.
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I didn’t see any mention on here of why there were so many people on board or is that inside?
Anyway, they were mostly trainees, so whatever happened it’s likely the crowded space or the over confidence caught them out.
Horrible situation to be in.
It is possible that they had extra people on board due to the torpedo drills they were conducting. We will likely have to just wait for a definitive answer when the Indonesians release their final report.
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Indonesia has been working for years to establish themselves as a credible Nation, possibly they tried too hard and overextended their ability.
Never the less, the loss of 53 Sailors is a major loss to the Navies of the World and Sea Goers everywhere.
.....and now their navy lost 1/4 of their submarine force. I do not think they are match against China.

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No fair piling on the B.S. to this thread, that is all that is here... I spent 2 years training new sub commanders near this area as well, nada!

Funny how any B.S. that promotes fear and loathing gets thru the "fact" checkers at Fox... but funnier still, the minions that suck it up.

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I guess the world is a much more exciting place the less you know about science but for those of us who have been burdened with atomic physics, eigenvalues and the like... far less magical. I'm OK with that.
Wow Captainjim, so good to have your incredible insight and experience here on this humble forum. Not often that we get an atomic physicist skilled, apparently in other science fields and a training sub commander all in the one package, wow.
Not by any chance an airline pilot as well are you?
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.....and now their navy lost 1/4 of their submarine force. I do not think they are match against China.

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You are correct that they are not a match against China, however they don't have to be. The goals of each nation vary considerably. In some cases they may need to be a match. In other cases however, they just need to present a deterrent in some form. Often this takes the form of making it clear to another force that an attack would be very painful.

Area denial is also a valid policy. They strategy may simple be to deny certain areas to another. For example, they may just wish to deny access to an exit from the South China Sea or entrance to the Celebes Sea.

It is also likely that their sub force is for protecting territorial waters from neighbors.

If we think of history, Switzerland was never going to be a match against National Socialist Germany in WWII, however they were just strong enough to keep Germany from invading. Sweden was another example of a smaller country employing a similar strategy. Today, North Korea is a good example of this.
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Wow Captainjim, so good to have your incredible insight and experience here on this humble forum. Not often that we get an atomic physicist skilled, apparently in other science fields and a training sub commander all in the one package, wow.
Not by any chance an airline pilot as well are you?
Uncle Bob what a boring place this would be if only Atomic Physicists studied atomic physics... a university education isn't really interested in teaching you a trade, more of a teach you how to learn... teach yourself... science is something you learn, not 'believe in'... but then faux news isn't really for those who practice 'independent' critical thinking at any kind of conscience level. P.S. yes, have flown a plane before.
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I didn’t find anything so outlandish about the combination of nuclear physics and a sub commander. If I remember correctly, Jimmy Carter has a BS degree, served on nuclear submarines, and called himself a nuclear physicist before he went on to a better job. If he’d hung around the navy, he might have made Captain too.
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Hmmm, maybe negative buoyancy?
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Re: Invisible Force Sinks Sub

Local press has today reported that the Indonesian authorities have terminated the attempts, carried out by salvage ships from China, to retrieve the broken pieces of the German-built submarine operating in the Indonesian navy, the KRI Nanggala.

See: https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/21...nken-submarine
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