Hurrican grounding - Advice?

[SecondBase]

Originally Posted by JEschman

a webbing tow strap..

It's right there in the name. I like this even better than a knot.

[Sdwcheney]

I have had good luck using truck inter-tubes put them under the hull, then inflate them with a compressor. I tied them to the keel once, but it works.

[SecondBase]

Originally Posted by Suijin

The guy is looking for advice, for options to consider.

That's right.

Give me 6 hours to work on a boat problem and I'll spend the first 4 hours collecting diverse opinions on Cruisers and Sailing Forum. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

- SecondBase

[puffcard]

The most damage I've seen done to boats is trying to keel haul them. The force to drag her out will be enough to possibly shear her keel bolts. Be very careful with ropes, nylon is a rubber band that can break with tremendous force and doesn't care whose name it takes. And all ropes have some spring. Please be careful. I've worked on the salvage of over 50 boats, up to trawlers. Please be careful with advise given here. It's free and your boat is worth more than that.

You need to make certain you aren't bouncing off the bottom and the boat is secured. Sound the area. Talk to some salvagers around there, they may not tell how to do it. They might get you some ideas if they can't do the job. If you use them be certain to go "No cure, no pay". They are for the most part a bunch of Pirates.

[cptcptcpt]

the picture shows the boat leaning torwards the shore a little, assuming the keel is worked into the bottom about a foot maybe two, i would stand on that lower rail to see if it moves, if not it is really stuck.

the picture shows a lot of rubble so it will be challenging to dig or jet

with a loop of about twelve feet around the keel, a line running to a pulley halfway out to a well set anchor or two, you can stand on the lower rail and pull the slack and tie to a bow cleat. Go to the stern and check the rudder for movement, assuming it starts to give a little then take more slack out of your anchor line, repeat

with the loop as low as possible and as much flotation as you can get at the pulley after a few tides of pulling slack the offshore wing should come up enough to get more slack, your weight on the lower rail and bow will help

[Dave_S]

No experience, so take this for what it cost...

I'd be worried about what you will have to drag it through to get it out.

Maybe hire some type of matting, something like the big mats they put down at the snow fields when the snow gets a bit thin and just reef it and the mat out with a boat ?

Best of luck, hope it works out for you, whatever you decide.

[SecondBase]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

No experience, so take this for what it cost...



I'd be worried about what you will have to drag it through to get it out.



Maybe hire some type of matting, something like the big mats they put down at the snow fields when the snow gets a bit thin and just reef it and the mat out with a boat ?



Best of luck, hope it works out for you, whatever you decide.

The "plywood highway to deep water"

[blueazimuth]

1. Pulling a boat over using an internal halyard is never a good idea - the shives
are designed to take a fore and aft load, not a side load.
2. Healing a boat with a wing keel INCREASES draft.
3. Using any boat with a lot of horse power and little knowledge is a bad idea.
4. Pulling boat out stern first is a bad idea.
5. Judiciously pulling bow to face deep water then pulling forward sounds OK,
bearing in mind that bow fittings are not designed for heavy side loads.
6. $10,000 and 3 feet of water should allow access by barge & crane and is least likely to damage the boat.
7. Think carefully before doing anything.
8. Advise is free, but money aside, I like # 6
Good luck. Take photos, and let us know how it went.

[Ferrari]

To minimize further damage here's what I'd try to re-float her.
As previously advised remove as much weight as possible.
Attache your anchor to a halyard and take it out towards the deeper water.
At low tide Kedge the yacht over as far as possible till the keel is exposed.
Attache as many improvised flotation devices as possible around the keel as tightly as possible.
At high tide ease the halyard a bit.
With any luck she will float on her side.
If not gently tighten the halyard which will pull her into deeper water till she floats.
From the photo it looks like the dock remnants are not far away and could be used as an anchor kedge point.
When enough depth, use your dingy tied fore and aft to help support the keel.

[NevisDog]

I recall Fatty Goodlander mentioning one guy dropping the keel (removing all the keelbolts) in order to escape from a reef grounding in a hurry. Seemed to work for him - saved his boat, picked up the keel later and reattached on haul-out.

[Ken Z]

yes I believe you can heel her over, slowly Id use 100' or more foot of line from the halyard to a powwerr boat with a light hand on the throttle, steady pressure ,the power boat will probably have to go from side to side see saw to move a inch or two at a time. This is not hour job , have patience and work it a inch or two at a time. If you can get another power boat on the bow work that boat in aternate conjucton with the heeling boat, may need shovel work esp. around the rudder. wait for high tide and waves. BEST OF LUCK dont give up. 😳

[SV Bacchus]

Originally Posted by blueazimuth

6. $10,000 and 3 feet of water should allow access by barge & crane and is least likely to damage the boat.

Hate to think of myself as a chicken and I'm certainly not made of money but #6 looks darn good to me as well.

[Deltasailor]

Originally Posted by Gadagirl

Ummm....all of this cantering, weight hanging on the mast haylard ideas? I've witnessed a a wing keeled boat dismasted doing just that. Better consult the professionals.

And by pros I don't mean regular tow companies. It was such, that suggested such, and brought down their rig trying to un-stuck her from Potomac mud grounding.

A combination of tilting using the mast halyard and a couple of medium size ski type boats should help. A line to the bow and one to the masthead should swivel the boat. Wait for the high tide, a metre or so will make all the difference. Good luck don't use too much force on the deck cleats.

[boden36]

Can't tell from your photo, but is there any way of getting a crane to it from shore and taking it out onto a trailer?

Regards,
Richard.

[puffcard]

blueazimuth has some stuff I agree with.

I've used air bags and it's a great way to move this boat. I posted a site that sells 12' by 12' rectangle bags capable of lifting 6 tons for $329. I've use bags they're offer a very controlled way to lift a boat.

What you need.
Three people, one capable of getting in the water with snorkel or better with tanks.
Two lift bags 12'
Two 1' rigging straps and suitable shackles. You could use line, just be careful.
Air compressor, with two valve manifold
Air hose to bags.
Cost around $1000, cheaper if you have a compressor.

The bags have rigging holes on each corner. Use halyard to hang one bag along one side. Attach the straps to the lower two corners. Lower into water till bag's top is at the gunwale. Now lower other side and and use straps to connect one set of corners forward of keel an one behind. Connect air hose and fill equally. Might need to add lines on bags to keep secured. Keep filling with air and up she'll come up Secure manifold and disconnect. Now tow to deeper water and have a beer.

A crane from shore may work will cost much more. Plus will need to take the mast and rig down to trailer to a yard. Crane, trailer, truck, yard travellift and crane to install the mast will add up.