C&N managed yacht sinks off Sicily, 7 missing

[Invictus69]

Interesting - if this CCTV video is real why they don't show the actual sinking?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-captured.html



Still more questions than answers.

[Colin Stone]

>Still more questions than answers.

Yes, and likely to remain that way until the Marine Investigators have done their stuff. No doubt there will be onboard CCTV media to recoved and examine.

[bobmcd625]

Look at the AIS track (if you can find it). I saw it yesterday (should have taken a screen shot) showing the boat swinging around the anchor for an hour or so then breaking away heading SE before ending. Would seem that they lost or let go the anchor and tried to get underway. Hopefully others here have saved that track. Eventually we'll get a full report from the survivors and other investigators. Regardless, it's a terrible tragedy.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Invictus69

Interesting - if this CCTV video is real why they don't show the actual sinking?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-captured.html
Still more questions than answers.

Maybe, it does?

According to the text, accompanying the Video:

“Footage taken from a CCTV camera on a villa just 200 yards from where the boat sank shows the ship anchored in the distance - its blinking lights just visible beyond the torrential rain.
The homeowner told local newspaper: 'In just sixty seconds you can see the ship disappear ...
... There is a second video - which has not been published - showing the boat sinking, reports Giornale di Sicilia.”
☞ https://palermo.gds.it/articoli/cron...-eab4f1683081/

[Naughty Cat]

Current reports from divers is that there is no sign of a hull breach.

Whilst pointing towards open side hatches don't these boats keep them closed due to the air con? It's really warm and humid down there atm (I left 3 weeks ago from nearby and if I had aircon I would prefer it overnight).

Do these boat have water ballast?

In the UK the conspiracy theorists are warming up as Leach's co-defendant was hit by a car yesterday whilst out running and killed.

My heart goes out to the horror of the events for alll those that made it and those that didn't.

[dannc]

Originally Posted by Kit_L

From https://www.superyachttimes.com/yachts/bayesian

OVERALL LENGTH
55.9 m
BEAM
11.51 m
DRAUGHT MAX.
9.73 m
GROSS TONNAGE
473

Mast is described as 75m high.

This link is about a sister ship and mentions the ship that sunk under her original name, https://www.yachtingmagazine.com/art...rini-navi-56m/

"DRAFT: 13’0″ keel up, 31’11” keel down"

On of the comments I read said the ship's AIS was showing a draft of 3.8 meters which matches the specification of the ship when the lifting keel was raised.

It would seem that keel was up, and the keel had to be a heavy to counter balance the 75m mast, which would have a negative affect on the ships stability.

[i-Zapp]

my theory? - the mast snapped some way's up, but not completely, and then swung/pivoted downwards and one of the massive spars pierced the hull.

i can't believe that any bulkheads, windows, doors, portholes would be left open, or would be large enough to pass enough water to sink a boat that large.

[hpeer]

My very uninformed guess would be she would normally ride keel DOWN with guests aboard to provide maximum comfort?

[nigel1]

Originally Posted by bobmcd625

Look at the AIS track (if you can find it). I saw it yesterday (should have taken a screen shot) showing the boat swinging around the anchor for an hour or so then breaking away heading SE before ending. Would seem that they lost or let go the anchor and tried to get underway. Hopefully others here have saved that track. Eventually we'll get a full report from the survivors and other investigators. Regardless, it's a terrible tragedy.

Screen shot of AIS track

[PippaB]

Originally Posted by Naughty Cat

...Whilst pointing towards open side hatches don't these boats keep them closed due to the air con? It's really warm and humid down there atm (I left 3 weeks ago from nearby and if I had aircon I would prefer it overnight)...

Our paltry 40-footer shared an anchorage in the Marquesas with a similar vessel and we were invited aboard for drinks. The aircon was running full blast, the cabin was quite comfortable, and all the hatches (doors really) were wide open. Did not matter to them one bit that that was an expensive way to run air conditioning (we actually discussed it a bit over the drinks).

In a couple of the news stories some of the rescued people have been quoted as saying they came up on deck in the wee hours because of the noise and motion of the storm, which is then likely why they are the survivors, not having been below at the time of the sinking.

[bobmcd625]

Thanks. That's pretty clear. They were swinging on the anchor for a long time and then broke away and sank shortly after about 5 min. Still not clear on the cause of the capsize. Time will tell.

[Naughty Cat]

Others would know better but do you not need to have an AVS of 120 degrees or more even with the keel up to be Cat A rated? Or is that just RCD and different rules apply to boats of this size?

[Invictus69]

Is anybody aware of any records of previous similar incidents of large (sailing) yachts capsizing/sinking at anchor due to storm/water sprouts?

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by Invictus69

Is anybody aware of any records of previous similar incidents of large (sailing) yachts capsizing/sinking at anchor due to storm/water sprouts?

Not a large sailing yacht, but a big passenger boat in Venice Italy:



https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/12/archives/whirlwind-kills-30-in-venice-water-bus-is-lifted-then-sunk.html

[dannc]

Originally Posted by hpeer

My very uninformed guess would be she would normally ride keel DOWN with guests aboard to provide maximum comfort?

One would think that would be the case. But look at Nigel1's post with the AIS data. Draft is 3.8 meters.